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Need help reading name on document please

Hi, I would appreciate your help reading the last name please. First name is Maria but the last name is hard to read.
I have attached a picture.
Thank you
Esther

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Translation help!

I would like for someone who understands Spanish better than I do to look at a document and tell me what it is about. It is about my ancestors Pedro and Juan Casillas.

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It is a baptism for Juan and Pedro Casillas. Their parents are Domingo Casillas and Ana de Rosas. Both parents are identified as “Indios”.

Need help locating Parrish records in Government books

Does anyone know if church records were recorded in government books? Is there an archive to look at those?

Example is a picture of one a historian sent me. I am trying to help him out.

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I have seen the picture. My understanding is that the word "Gobierno" here has nothing to do with the "government", it is a reference to the governing of the Curato so this is a completely church thing and has nothing to do with civil matters. In Mexico Church archives and Civil Governement records are things that stand apart from each other.

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Thank you Uncabral. A historian (Cronista) of Zacatecas, has been asking me if I know where those types of records are kept. He said that he was told that it would be copied by the Mormons in their records.

I am trying to help him locate the archives. On the example he gave me of a picture of the "Gobierno Del Curato" book of Valparaiso, Zacatecas, Mexico 1854, it would probably be under the archive of that title "Gobierno Del Curato" if it exists some where and was copied for people to see online.

That would open up a new avenue to look at records online.

I think it is called "Libros Parroquial Del Gobierno"

http://www.dsanjuan.org/descargas/upload//Indicaciones_para_Libro_de_Go…

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En Familysearch.org en el Catalogo bajo: Libros de gobierno, 1670-1752 hay 52 microfilms

Este es el link:

https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/309129

Libros de gobierno, 1670-1752
Authors:
Audiencia de Nueva Galicia (Guadalajara). Presidente (Main Author)
Format:
Manuscript/Manuscript on Film
Language:
Spanish
Publication:
Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmado por la Socidad Genealógica de Utah, 1959
Physical:
52 rollos de microfilme ; 35 mm.
Notes
Microfilme de manuscritos en el Archivo de Instrumentos Públicos en Guadalajara.

Algunos de los libros incluyen índice.

La Audiencia de la Nueva Galicia contaba con las provincias mayores de Colima, Jalisco, y Zacatecas, que corresponden a los estados actuales del mismo nombre de la República Mexicana.

Se colectaron en los "Libros de Gobierno" nombramaientos, comisiones, confirmaciones, reales cédulas y provisiones, licencias, títulos de provisión, y otros muchos documentos civiles.

Public records from the "Audiencia" or Kingdom of

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Adicionalmente existen tambien documentos de Gobierno eclesiástico en : Diócesis de Michoacán, 1624-1840

https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/2535

Documentos eclesiásticos : Diócesis de Michoacán, 1624-1840
Authors:
Iglesia Católica. Diócesis de Michoacán (México) (Main Author)
Archivo Diocesano de Morelia (Repository)
Archivo Histórico Museo Casa de Morelos (Repository)
Archivo del Arzobispado de Michoacán (Repository)
Format:
Manuscript/Manuscript on Film
Language:
Spanish
Publication:
Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmado por la Socidad Genealógica de Utah, 1971
Physical:
en 11 rollos de microfilme ; 35 mm.
References:
(Digital Collection) Mexico, Michoacán, Catholic Church records = México, Michoacán, registros parroquiales y diocesanos : COLLECTION RECORD, 1555-1996
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Mexico, Michoacán, Catholic Church Records are available online, click here.

Microfilme de manuscritos en el Archivo Histórico Museo Casa de Morelos, antes Archivo del Arzobispado de Michoacán

Son of Francisco Suárez de Ibarra and Isabel Pimentel

I’m trying to find out if Alferez Real Francisco Suárez y de Ibarra’s and Isabel Pimentel’s son, Miguel, born in 1631, married in 1656 to a woman named Agustina de Zúñiga y Mendoza.

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I see they had kids in Gudalajara, maybe look at their baptisms and see if Francisco and Isabel's relatives or Isabel herself were padrinos. That may help confirm your suspicions.

FYI Isabel died in 1665

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Hi Jesús,

I think this might help:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9BF-34Y8?cat=35680

It lists Miguel de Ibarra Pimentel married to Agustina de Zúñiga y Viscaino as the albacea of Nicolas de Viscaino, his suegro.

Also additional info in Nicolas Viscaino's will:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9BF-3HM2?i=85&cat=356…

Regards,

Richard

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Thank you Richard!!
This is great!! I'm going to read both documents. Do you have any evidence of Miguel's and Agustina's son, Francisco Xavier, born in 1678, married a woman named Lorenza de la Plaza. This would be the last step to proof my direct ancestry to Francisco Suárez de Ibarra.
Thank you vey much!!

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Hello Luigi:
Juan de Ibarra y Pimentel , born 1640, married Teresa de Sabalsa.
His "partida de entierro"
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-Q397-2F?i=67&cc=188337…

His "partida de bautismo"
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939L-531H-F?i=102&cc=187459…

Marriage of his daughter:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-MNRV-R?i=204&cc=188337…

"Padrino" of Nicolás Salvador de Ibarra,son of Francisco de Ibarra, who I believe is son of Miguel de Ibarra and Agustina Zúñiga VIzcaino.
ttps://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-MK9H-73?i=283&wc=M647-4TG%3A17…

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Jesus,

Thank you for this information. I have worked alot on Francisco and Isabel and I could never find any descendants other than their son Francisco. Looks like the family went to Nayarit!

Alex

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Jesus And Alex,

I'm sorry to say I don't have any further information on Miguel's children, but I think the case you presented on another thread is suggestive. If I find anything I will post it!

- Richard

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Hello,

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Hi!

Sure:

"In Saucedo's chapel, on May the eleventh of 1870, the Pr. Ygnacio Olivares with the license of the parish priest, with the previous matrimonial information and having sent everything else to revise in the Holy Council of Trento, married and (I don't know the translation of "velar", sorry) Dolores Macías and Juana Lozada: godparents Lucas Lechuga and Matiana Macías, witnesses: Leonardo Gutiérrez and Zeferina Díaz, and for the record I signed it with the priest"

hope it helps!

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Jose Dolores Macias is the son of Francisco Macias and Benigna Varela.

Juana Lozano (Losada) (Loza) is the daughter of Francisco Lozano and Maria del Refugio Macias.

Francisco is the son of Juan Crisostomo Losada (Loza) and Clemencia Ríos
Juan Crisostomo Losada (Loza) Is the son of Diego Loza and Maria Petra Rodriguez.

Clemencia Ríos is the daughter of Jose Albino Rios and María Lucia Gonzalez.

María del Refugio is the daughter of Jose Ma. Macias and Ygnacia Viramontes (Miramontes.)

Jose Ma. Macias is the son of Juan Francisco Macias and Ma. Gertrudis de la Luz Silva

Rick A. Ricci

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I have a strong feeling that Jose de Los Dolores Macias is not the biological son of Benigna Varela. The marriage record has her as the mother, but I believe that she is his stepmother. I believe that hiS biological mother is María Candida Guerra. This is only a hypothesis, and more research needs to be done to see if this is true.

Rick A. Ricci

Help reading this record

Hello everyone!

I need some help reading where the bride and groom are from (Manuel Flores)

Thank you in advance!!

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San Antonio, Tuxcacuesco, Jalisco, Mexico

Rick A. Ricci

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I hope this helps you with your research:

Groom : Manuel Flores 18 years old son of Jose Ma. Flores and Vicenta Castillo

Bride: Ma. Estanislao Mariscal 17 years old daughter of Casildo Mariscal and Ma. Catarina Cadena she is originally from Sayula but for the last 7 years she has lived in Tuxcacuesco.

jose casildo mariscal and maria catarina cadena had their marriage on :12 January 1835 in Sayula Jalisco, México

Here are more family members:

https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/M7Y6-KG7

This may be the groom’s parents:
José María Flores is the son of Luciano Flores and Maria Pascuala Ramirez married 7 May 1792 in Nutra Sra de Gpe., Guadalajara, Jalisco

Rick A. Ricci

Mineral del Favor

Hello!

Have you ever heard of a rancho or pueblo called Mineral del Favor? could be in Jalisco or Michoacan,

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Padron Jalostotitlan 1679 page 346 Perez Maldonado- Lomelin for Rick

The actual original pages are not in the book Historia de nuestra señora de San Juan de los Lagos, and according to other posts in this forum the padron is not on family search, however the author tra

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