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Help understanding document. Ana de Herrera (Juan Marin de Penaloza)

I need help understanding this document. I think it says Juan de Analis and Francisca de Herrera are the maternal grandparents, but then who are Diego Vasquez de Buendia and Juana Velasquez? Are they the great grandparents?

México, Jalisco, registros parroquiales, 1590-2022," database with images, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-6F39-P?cc=1874591&wc=3J4S-… : 28 June 2014), Guadalajara > Diócesis de Guadalajara > Capellanías 1685-1855 > image 517 of 615; parroquias Católicas (Catholic Church parishes), Jalisco.

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Thank you Don and Manny! After many years of research it's not often I that find new ancestors. But with this information I have added ten ancestors spanning 4 generations going back to Martín de Rifarache and Sábina de Esquivel. So grateful for your research and generosity!

Un cordial saludo.

Austin Pérez

 

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You’re welcome, Austin. Now I’m wondering if this Francisca de Herrera, who was married to Juan de Alanis, is the same Francisca Vasquez de Rifarache who was married to Gonzalo de Balli? I have 2 records that identify her as daughter of Diego Vasquez de Buendia cc Ana de Herrera, and as sister of Diego Vasquez de Buendia. On 18 Jul 1615, she gave power to her husband regarding her inheritance: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9BN-99J4-X?i=181&cat=…

Which continues on 18 Jul 1615: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9BN-99J4-5?cat=35680&…

Saludos,
Manny Díez Hermosillo
 

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I too was wondering the same.

From Google Books snippet view of "El ayer y el hoy de dos familias de fundadores, las familias Corona y Michel..."  it has Francisca de Rifarache married to Jerónimo de Valli "vecino de Guadalajara y del valle de Contla por Tlacotlán" and it goes on to quote from the book "Los protocolos de Rodrigo Hernández Cordero, 1585-1591...": "En dicho pueblo de Tlacotlán, en el dicho día y mes y año [8 de julio de 1615] y ante la dicha Justicia [don Juan de Hijar] y de mi [Jerónimo López de Rivera] pareció doña Francisca de Rifarache muger legítima de Jerónimo de Valli..."

It also goes on to say that Digoe Vásquez is brother of Francisca de Rifarache.

Some online genealogy trees have Jerónimo de Valli as brother of licenciado Juan Bautista Valli (b. ~1575) who married María de Estrada on 25 Feb. 1601 in Guadalajara.

From the "informaciones de moribus et vita" for Agustín Marín de Peñaloza it appears that Francisca de Rifarache and Francisca de Herrera are the same

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According to testimonies, Ana de Herrera was daughter of Juan de Alanis cc Francisca de Herrera (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N23Z-FBL), and granddaughter of Cap Diego Vasquez de Buendia cc Juana Velasquez, though it doesn’t say who these two were the parents of - Juan de Alanis or Francisca de Herrera? I’ve never seen “Alanis” among the immediate descendants of Diego Vasquez de Buendia cc Juana Velasquez, but I have seen “Herrera”: their son, Hernan Vasquez de Buendia was married to Ana (or Juana) de Herrera, who was daughter of Benito de Herrera and Doña Francisca de Rifarache (daughter of conquistador Martin Rifarache cc Sabina Esquivel, and whose second husband was Cristobal Ordoñez). From the timeline, this would make more sense. And then I notice that, on image 523, witness Francisco Flores de la Torre says “los bisabuelos maternos fueron vecinos de la siudad de guadalaxa y se llamaron hernan basques y doña ana de errera y el capitan dio basques de buendia y da jua

Maria Ygnacia Nomelin and Jose Miguel Espinosa

I'm trying to find the parents of Maria Ygnacia Nomelin. Her parents are listed as Ramon Nomelin and Maria de la Cruz Fernandez. It also says she is from Purepero, Michoacan and is 22 years old.

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I see that page was not "INDEXED" .... but anyway I added as a source to Miguel Espinoa individual page.

This match popped up...... it all seems to line up except Maria Ygnacia's Nomeli mother's name is Vega and not Fernandes?   Could that marriage record just be wrong and her mother's surname is really Vega???

https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/merge/verify/984G-FX5/GQ1W-2ZQ

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I don't think so.  I had found the other Maria Ygnacia Lomelin also. She is also married to a Miguel Espinosa. They are from Jalisco. (Jose) Miguel Espinosa is one of my 3rd great grandfathers.  He is from Purepero, Michoacan. As is the Ygnacia Nomelin (Lomelin?) listed in the marriage record.  Thank you for your help.

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I finally was able to figure this out and corroborate with records. Using the 1784 Census from Purepero, Michoacan helped a lot. Turns out Maria Ygnacia Lomelin's mother is listed as a Duarte. As I went back further ancestors are listed with the last name Duarte Fernandez. So I was able to confirm Maria Ygnacia's parents as Jose Ramon Lomelin and Maria de la Cruz Duarte (Fernandez).  Thank you.

Vazquez de Mercado in Pinos, ZAC.

Recientemente encontré documentos que me ligan con Antonio Vázquez de Mercado y Rafaela Tomasa de Mota. Desciendo de su hijo Manuel Antonio (n. 1743, Pinos, ZAC), y casado el 13 de junio de 1763 en la hacienda de Espíritu Santo, en la jurisdicción de Pinos. Aparece como español, y casa con la mulata Gertrudis Lucinda, hija de Juan de Dios Cisneros y Micaela Gerónima. Me gustaría saber si tienen información acerca de esta familia en la región de Pinos. He visto que otras ramas de mi familia se extienden hacia Ciénega de Mata, Aguascalientes, Asientos, pero hasta ahora no he dado con ninguna coincidencia al respecto de los Vázquez de Mercado.

Adjunto el documento del matrimonio:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-BMCT-C? 

Property records

Hello primos,

Does anyone have any idea where I could find property records.  My great grandfather owned a large amount of land in what was Jalisco in the Tepic department.  How did you buy it?  Was it passed to him?  Was it from a Spanish grant?  Anyone have an idea on where I can start?

Best,

AP

SIERRA DE PINOS: Eugenio Rufino Galván cc María Dolores Fernández

After nearly a dozen years of looking for clues, I’ve finally broken down a wall that had perplexed me. My 5g grandparents, Eugenio Rufino Galván and María Dolores Fernández, lived in Sierra de Pinos, Zacatecas, during the last quarter of the 18th century. They also lived part of the time in Real de Catorce, Slp. They first appear in the Pinos parish records on 16 Mar 1776, when their children, Juan Joseph and Maria Josefa, were confirmed. Maria Dolores Fernandez died and was buried 26 Feb 1793 in Pinos; according to her burial record, she was originally from Silao, Gto. Eugenio Galván married a second time, to Maria Micaela Cordoba, on 10 Jun 1793, in Real de Catorce. According to his IM, he was about 53 years old (b. 1740) and he was also from Silao. 
I started dredging the archives of Silao looking for any clues. Though I found some Galvan’s and plenty of Fernandez’s, I could still find no sign of Eugenio Rufino, which is a really unique name. So I put this couple on the backburner

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I hate the name swap issues so dang much! Happens in italian church records too but nowhere near as often as mexican church records. Nice work!

Who is this Bernardino de Sandoval who was born approximately in the 1630s?

Who is this Bernardino de Sandoval who was born approximately in the 1630s? I am not sure if I am reading the documents right, but it seems Jeromino de Sandoval (Magdalena de Lavezares) has a brother name Bernardino.

From the first section of documents, 

  1. Jeromino de Sandoval is the son of Catalina Cortes - image 129 of 512
  2. Juan and Cristobal de Sandoval are brothers, sons of Jeromino de Sandoval - image 130 of 512

Then from second section of documents,  

  1. I believe it says Bernardino de Sandoval is the uncle of Juan de Sandoval - image 325 of 512, left side, third line from the bottom.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDL-6SH1-F?i=324&cat=278176

From the 1649 padrones, there are 4 Bernardinos present in Nochistlan. 

  1. Bernardino de Isla - decreased by 1690
  2. Bernardino de Sandoval, son of Nicolas de Sandoval - deceased by 1690.
  3. Bernardino de Isla - N
  4. Bernardino de Isla - N


 

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I think in the second set of documents the cited Juan Moscoso Sandoval is alive. Therefore it cannot be the one married to Catalina Cortes nor his son. It does say Bernardino is the "tio" of the Juan Moscoso Sandoval in the documents.

I cannot say for sure who this Bernardino is but he could be of the generation of Juan Moscoso y Sandoval and Catalina Cortes' children or a child of one of their earliest children. He could be a child of Mariana Moscoso y Sandoval Cortes and Bernardino Gonzalez de Islas for example.

 

Sorry I couldnt be much help

 

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From these documents it says that Bernardino de Sandoval (born ~1630s) is the uncle of Juan de Sandoval (son of Jeronimo de Sandoval and Magdalena de Laverazes, husband of Maria Duran) and therefore the brother of Jeronimo de Sandoval (Magdalena de Laverazes), which can then be inferred that this Bernardino de Sandoval is the son of Juan de Moscoso y Sandoval (Catalina Cortes).

The issue is that I am not aware of any other document saying this or suggesting that Juan de Moscoso y Sandoval (Catalina Cortes) had a son named Bernardino de Sandoval.  

From the first section of documents, 

  1. Jeromino de Sandoval is the son of Catalina Cortes (not named Juan de Moscoso y Sandoval) - image 129 of 512
  2. Juan and Cristobal de Sandoval are brothers, sons of Jeromino de Sandoval (not named Magdalena de Laverazes) - image 130 of 512

Then from second section of documents, which includes pretty much the all the same people 

  1.  it says Bernardino de Sandoval is the uncle of Juan de Sandoval (not named Maria

(i)legitimate child

Hi everyone! I have a rather specific question. I am having an insight at my third great grandfather (i hope that's right) because I found that he was born out of wedlock in 1806. The registry literally says "legitimate son (I mean) illegitimate son of...", which is not only hilarious but puzzling. Two years later, in 1808, his parents did get married, however, I didn't find any dispensa, AND the registry does say the mother was a maiden. So I wonder what could've happened. Has anyone come across something similar? I'm guessing if they maybe kept it a secret? Also both parents are rather old; the father was 40 and a widow, and the mother was 30, never married. Being a small town in Nochistlán, it seems a bit off. Thanks in advance for your theories!

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Hi, I think it's fairly common. In my case, my 3rd grand father (Pedro Navarro AKA Pedro Vivas AKA Pedro Rivas AKA Pedro González) is mentioned as a legitimate child of a Trinidad Navarro and Eugenia Vivas in his marriage information, but in his birth information he's the son of Eugenia Vivas and unknown father. 
To make things more confusing in certain documents he mentions that his father is Luis Gabriel González, but always names his mother as Eugenia Vivas or Rivas. 
Until now I haven't found any dispensa or marriage documents from Eugenia Vivas, so I am guessing the "Legitimate" status in his marriage information may be made up.

Best regards!

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to state if the child was legitimo or natural......Sometimes they even kept a separate book for the "hijos naturales".....

JUANA NAVARRO, MUJER DE BENITO DE ISLAS: HIJA DE MARTÍN NAVARRO

Hola prim@s,

This is a group of documents regarding some lands belonging to Andrea Gonzalez Bermejo, wife of Cristobal Barburen, of Teocaltiche: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDL-6S93-C?i=191&cat=…

The lands were originally granted to Martin Navarro in October 1575 (image 209 btm right); he signed them over to his yerno, Benito de Yslas, as part of the dowry of his daughter, Juana Navarro (image 210 right). She in turn, (beginning on image 195) donated them to Antonio Gonzalez de Rubalcava and to Antonio de Bastidas, husbands of her granddaughters, Juana de Yslas and Magdalena Lozano, respectively, who were daughters of her daughter, Petronila de Yslas, married to Pedro Lozano. The donations were made in 1630, so Juana de Yslas and Magdalena Locano could have been born as late as 1618; you can do the math to figure out the approximate ages of everyone else involved. 
Tantalizing, ain’t it? While it can’t be said with complete certainty that the Martin Navarro

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Hi Alex,

I sure did. And I’m glad you took a look at the document, because your paleographical skills are much better than mine! I thought it said “franco gonzales i m.a [ILL] de Ysla su mujer”. But now that I look at it, it clearly says “franco gonzales en n.e (nombre) de Ben[ito] de Ysla su suegro.” Good eye! https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDL-6S97-7?i=209&cat=…

Now the question is: if this Benito de Isla IS the same who was father of Magdalena de Lavezaris, Maria de Isla, and Maria de Isla mestiza su hija bastada, which son-in-law is he? Is he Francisco Gonzalez, husband of Maria de Isla mestiza? Or is he Francisco Gonzalez Martinez, husband of Magdalena de Lavezaris?

Thanks, Alex!

Abrazos,
Manny Díez Hermosillo 
 

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Ah it seems my tree is not so built up on this part of the family. All I have is a Benito de Islas m. unk, father of:

Maria de Islas (mestiza) m. unk mother of Luisa de Islas

Maria de Islas d. 1667 m. Andres Martin Sotomayor

Magdalena de Labesares m. Francisco Gonzalez

 

Seems I never located/figured out mestiza Maria's husband

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You are right. Looking at my tree, I have it as unsourced. I don’t know where I got that name from - maybe I picked it up in one of the many discussions had in this forum? Whatever the case, I shouldn’t have mentioned it in this thread - please strike it! I do not know if Maria de Isla mestiza hija bastarda de Benito de Isla ever married, only that she had a daughter name Luisa de Islas!

What we know from this record is, this Benito de Isla also had a son-in-law named Francisco Gonzalez, who presented this title in Benito’s name in 1610, telling us that Benito was still alive that year.

Thanks!
Manny Díez Hermosillo

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Thanks for sharing Manny, I've always wondered about the Juana Navarro that Jaime Holcombe mentioned!

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I read the last name as “aramburun” and not Barburen (Cristobal de Aramburu m Andrea Gonzalez in 1730, #17 of 571).

Magdalena Velasco (Cristóbal Hernández Gamiño)

Good day,

I trust all are well.  I am searching for the parents of Magdalena Velasco,

Wife of Joseph de Aceves Fernández y Becerra

Mother of Nicolás Aceves y Ruiz de Velasco

(1682 • Ayo El Chico, Jalisco)

Online suggestions indicate her parents were Cristóbal Hernández Gamiño and María de los Ángeles Ruiz de Haro y Velasco.

Would you be so kind as to direct me to sources to aid in my research?

Un cordial saludo,

Sandra Garza Aceves

 

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in her page.

I can't believe spaced it earlier.  It is relevant because you and another person were using that as her supposed name.  Maybe it will help with searches later.  

You can see multiple alternate names, and spelling of names, under the "Other Information" section of her page:  https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/2BLY-LX2

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quite filled out I must say... and, YES, you can see Magdalena's parents there...her name was:

 Magdalena Hernández Velázquez y Ruiz de Haro

Gotta have the right name... otherwise it's a bear.  I'm fairly confident this is what you're looking for????  Well, hopefully....

TREE:   https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/LY99-PPD

Magda's page:  https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/2BLY-LX2

Moco/a or Mozo/a?

In the book, "Genealogia de Nochistlan Antiguo Reino de la Nueva Galicia en el Siglo XVII Segun Sus Archivos Parroquiales" I am seeing the term "Moco" and "Moca" throughout and wondering if that is a misspelling of "mozo" and "moza"?  For example, here is an entry from page 104:

Maria Yniguez de Estrada, moca espanola doncella, hija de Lorenzo Mexia . . . (dated 1649 in Nochistlan)

In the 1998 edition of Spanish Colonial Terms (by Ophelia Marquez & Lilian Ramos Navarro Wold), they included the term "Mozo" and "Moza" as follows.  That seems to fit within the context here.  

Does anyone know the referenced term?  Thank you!

Mozo;Youth, young man, lad, bachelor; manservant. A younger person with the same name, usually related.
Moza;Younger woman.

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you did not add a link to check, but when I see things like this I go look at other entries by the same scribe to see if I notice a pattern.... if there is a pattern by this particular scribe then it would likely be a valid assumption.