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Relationship between Beltran de la Cueva Velasco and Ana Flores de la Torre

Greetings to all,

I am fairly new to genealogical research, but I am trying to establish solid proof a one particular line going back 15 generations. I have been able to establish many of the generations, but I am having some trouble with a few. I have searched this site (and others) and have read many of the forums on this site, which offered great help, but have not been able to locate documentation for some generations. I only included marriage dates for the moment, but can include other information, if needed. I will follow with the generations I am trying to link and find documentation for. I also realize that some names may vary as individuals sometimes shortened or used a variation of their surnames. Below is the lineage starting with myself:

  1. Gabriel Brambila
  2. Gabriel Brambila married Francisca Mendoza 
  3. Gabriel Brambila married Sulema Garza in 1949
  4. Gabriel Brambila married Josefina Garcia y Reyna in 1908
  5. Jose Felipe Brambila married Florencia Contreras Cuevas in 1880
  6. Jose Luis Brambila

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Retonos de Espana en la Nueva Galicia by Mariano Gonzalez Leal

   Is there a way to search this work online? 

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Although it is not searchable online, many of the families that are mentioned in it have been documented on this site and on others since Retoños' publication in 2010-2011:

This list of the surnames mentioned in Retoños was shared here before by other researchers. Review it and consider adding to your post which surname or chapter you are most interested in and perhaps I or someone else here can point you to what you're looking for. The more information you provide about your "brick wall" ancestors, the easier it is for others to help you.


1.- Aceves
2.- Alba (de)
3.- Alcalá y Mendoza
4.- Aldrete
5.- Alvarez del Castillo
6.- Alvarez-Tostado
7.- Anava
8.- Anda-Altamirano (de)
9.- Aranda
10.- Ascencio de León
11.- Azuela de San Palayo (de la)
12.- Camacho-Riquelme
13.- Camarena
14.- Carlín
15.- Casillas y Cabrera
16.- Cuéllar
17.- Chávez-Fragoso
18.- Díaz del Castillo
19.- Díaz

Durango Researcher Javier R. Avitia

   Does anyone know how to contact Javier R. Avitia?  He has a database of thousands of individuals from Canelas, Durango, Mexico.  I mention this here because I believe a number of you do research in Durango.  I have found his posts online , but no way of contacting him.  The post are 17-25 years old.  He did live in Los Angeles.  I have made attempts to find him with no luck.  He definitely has lines I am researching.  Please let me know how to contact him or his relations or ask him to contact me.  Thanks.          celeste@agabra.com

Najar Lujano in San Miguel el Alto/Arandas

   I have hit a wall in my Najar line with Casimiro Najar Lujano.  He was born ~1810 and married Maria Petra Rodrigues in 1830 in Arandas.  His parents are Jose Angel Najar and Maria Nieves Lujano.  This is where I stop.  Any help from "cousins" or suggestions on where to look would be appreciated.  Thanks.

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" subconditione" meaning in baptismal records

   What does this word mean in this context?

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“Under the condition” that they are not already baptized. This was done in cases in which perhaps the child was a foundling, or maybe had been given an emergency baptism after a troubled birth, or was maybe a recent convert.

Saludos,
Manny Díez Hermosillo

Marquez Ledesma in San Miguel el Alto

   I have found a Nieves Ledesma marrying Jesus Marquez(f.Felipe Marquez/mom Susana Martin) in 1840 and having a child with Jose Ana Marquez in 1841, both in San Miguel el Alto.  I believe they are part of Jose Joaquin Gutierrez de Laris(b~1689)/Cecilia Martin line.  Is there anyway I can confirm this is the same man?  The only time Nieves is listed with Jesus and not Jose Ana is the marriage and I can find no marriage for Nieves and Jose Ana.

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Jose Ana  Marquez and Jesus Marquez Both have the same parents, Felipe Marquez and Susana Martin according to marriage and baptismal records, and they are both married to the same Maria Nieves Ledesma that is a daughter of Jose Dolores Ledesma and Petra Sanchez.   I don’t know if they are the same person but they have the same ancestry.   Jose Ana Marquez has an older brother named Jesus Marquez.

You are correct that they are parent of the “Jose Joaquin Gutierrez de Laris(b~1689)/Cecilia Martin line” as Susana Guadalupe Martin del Campo descends from them.


See:  https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/KCLW-X2L


Rick A. Ricci 

AGN has some documents available

Im curious if anyone knew about this. AGN seems to be digitizing their documents. The search stinks but better than nothing!

 

https://repositorio.agn.gob.mx/busqueda

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Diego Padilla Davila

I found this document: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDL-XHJM?i=71&cat=198356

 

I dont know much about this family but it may help someone. It mentions Diego Padilla Davila son of Lorenzo Padilla Davila and Isabel Castro Mesa

Also mentions Diego's uncle Francisco Reynoso and aunt Alfonsa/Aldonza Hijar

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Hola.

En la plataforma Geneanet en la genealogía aportada por Javier Sánchiz, se encuentra la siguiente información:

Primera Generación

Hernando Padilla Dávila (1494) casado con Leonor de Machicao

Segunda generación

Lorenzo Padilla Dávila Machicao (1530) casado con Mariana Temiño de Velasco

Tercera Generación

Diego Padilla Dávila Temiño de Velasco (1560) casado con Ana Mota Vera

Cuarta Generación

Lorenzo Padilla Dávila Mota (1609) casado en primeras nupcias con Catalina Híjar Mesa

Quinta Generación

Diego Padilla Dávila Híjar casado con Lucía Flores de la Torre

 

Aparece un segundo matrimonio, pero no con Inés de Castro y Mesa, es probable que Catalina si sea la madre de Diego, pero que aparezca como madre otra mujer (Inés) que pudo ser su madrastra y a la vez su tía.

Antiguamente existía la costumbre, los viudos con bebés se casaban con una hermana o parienta de la mujer fallecida para que les ayudara a criar el niño.  Tanto Catalina como Inés comparten el apellido Mesa. También es probable que

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I descend from Diego Padilla Davila son of Lorenzo Padilla Davila and Isabel Castro Mesa through my maternal grandmother, Maria del Carmen Perez Ramirez, daughter of Prospero Perez and Juana Ramirez .

This Diego is not a common ancestor of people that post here in nuestrosranchos.org.   But this Diego left many descendants in Valle de Guadalupe, Jalisco and its companion town, Pegueros, Jalisco (aka Pegueros California).

Rick A. Ricci

Orosco families in Arandas, Jalisco

I am a descendant of Dr Jeronimo Orosco from Seville, Spain. My 3rd great Grandmother was an Orosco from Arandas. My grandmother has always said she had a close relative that was Jewish, but didn't know exactly who. My grandmother has 5% Jewish DNA.

 I was watching a You Tube video on Hacienda San Sebastian and in the beginning of the video, the narrator stated that the owners of this hacienda, who were Oroscos, were Jewish Conversos. I know most of these Orosco families during that time, were related. Does anyone have any confirmation that they were indeed Jewish? 

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I have done much research on the Orosco family in Spain.   And yes they have a Jewish background.   Some of the branches converted but many members of the family kept many of their Jewish traditions.   The trunk of this family was close to the Covarrubias family.  After much research it turned out that the Covarrubias had a similar Jewish background.     Many of the families that were the founding members in Los Altos de Jalisco had a mixture of Jewish ancestors and younger members of noble families.   

Rick A. Ricci 

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This is what i thought. My Grandmother, who is no longer here, said she was told they were still practicing Judais secretly of course.  I would love to start researching more. I know many people will say that they were not Jewish,but I'm thinking that they just didn't know they were Conversos. The man in the You Tube video has a lot of historica  knowledg  and artifacts from that particula  area where Hacienda San Sebastian is, started his interview by saying the Oroscos were Jewish converses. I'd love to visit Aranda one day.