Garcia-Cervantes of Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco

Hello all ---

I am new to the group.  I am researching the ancestry of my husband's 
grandfather Primitivo Garcia who was born somewhere in Jalisco in the 
late 1800's. His mother was Marciana Cervantes, born around 1871 in 
Encarnacion de Diaz, Jal.  Her father was Ysac Cervantes, who 
married  Maria Castula Aguirre, who was born in Enc. de Diaz on Feb 
27, 1843.  Ysac's father was Jose de la Encarnacion Talamantes, who 
married Dorotea Cervantes.  For some reason, Ysac took his mother's 
surname instead of his father's.  Dorotea's father was Juan Jose 
Cerbantes, her mother Juliana Rubalcaba.  The father of her husband 
was Jose Segundo Talamantes, the mother was Maria Dieguina.

I am 65 years old, retired, and we moved from Silicon Valley to 
Washington State in 1996.

Hoping to make a connection,

   Emilie 
    Port Orchard, WA.




Provoked Revisited



I just want to say that there is no limitation being imposed on any
members of the group from posting "without limit" all on-topic
messages. I've enjoyed the various threads and it makes me so happy to
see you all extend another 5 star spike that ties the group together
even stronger than it was before. We truely are a Familia. A new goal
I'd like to strive for is for every member of the group to find someone
else in the group that is researching their specific geographic area
and make a bloodline connection with them. Yes I realize that will be
one hard goal to reach but we have to make an effort to get there.



How can we do this?:



well if you haven't found anyone looking in your specific area why not
invite a few people that give every indication of being serious
researchers? I can't show you how to use the various message boards
found around the genealogy net to find and recruit those that have
"serious researcher" written all over them [well that at lease seem to
have that

Open For Discussion/Limiting Specific Discussion

I agree.  While most of the emails, (ok, all of
them) don’t really pertain to me, I like to read when someone discovers a
relative.  It prompted me to ask if
anyone had ties to my lines.  No
one did, but I got REALLY good information from Angie and Joseph (thanks
again!).  Hearing different ideas
on where to look is really helpful and beneficial to all of us. 

 

……I also
just really like reading other peoples email.  Hahahahaha.  If
people have a problem with these, just do what Joseph has suggested and change
your profile to “Digest”.

 

Peggy
Delgado

 

-----Original
Message-----

From: Josie T. Trevino
[mailto:Josiett3@...]

Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 10:01
AM

To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com

Subject: FW: [ranchos] Open For
Discussion/Limiting Specific Discussion

 

Hi!    I
am hanging in there too.........(Irma Gomez Lucero: I also have SOTO which I
have done almost nothing on!  :-)   We will be in touch,
ok?)  I truly appreciate the e-mails.......ALL OF THEM.......if

FW: [ranchos] Open For Discussion/Limiting Specific Discussion

Hi!    I am hanging in there
too.........(Irma Gomez Lucero: I also have SOTO which I have done almost
nothing on!  :-)   We will be in touch, ok?)  I truly
appreciate the e-mails.......ALL OF THEM.......if they do not pertain to my
lineages..... I simply delete them and look forward to the next ones! 
I have learned so much just from reading all the e-mail that different people
send in..........PLEASE do not take these into private
e-mails.......Thanks!
 
Josie in San Antonio



From: Irma GomezLucero
[mailto:igomezlucero@...]
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 10:13
AM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ranchos] Open
For Discussion/Limiting Specific Discussion

Mis cinco centavos:  Although I haven't made
connections, (I have Alvarez, Soto & Mota),  I appreciate hearing
about these lines.  Hopefully, I will eventually make a connection as
I hear more.  Maria making a connection is a perfect example. 
Please don't taken these into private emails. 
Irma



From: Joseph

Alvarez, Soto and Mota files

Irma, 
Check out our ranchos files.  We have 34
Alvares/Albares, 59 Mota and 1 Soto in our files.  Our one Soto is married
to a Campos.  The Alvares and Mota lines should be in their own
files.   We also have 3 Gomes names, but the are in Lagos de Moreno,
Jal. area, and there aren't too many Ranchos members in that
area.
 
 
Rich and Kitty Cortez
 
 


From: Irma GomezLucero
[mailto:igomezlucero@...]
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 8:13
AM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ranchos] Open
For Discussion/Limiting Specific Discussion

Mis cinco centavos:  Although I haven't made
connections, (I have Alvarez, Soto & Mota),  I appreciate hearing
about these lines.  Hopefully, I will eventually make a connection as
I hear more.  Maria making a connection is a perfect example. 
Please don't taken these into private emails. 
Irma



From: Joseph Puentes [mailto:makas@...r.com]

Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 5:14 AM
To:
LosRanchos
Subject: [ranchos] Open For Discussion/Limiting

Open For Discussion/Limiting Specific Discussion

Mis cinco centavos:  Although I haven't made
connections, (I have Alvarez, Soto & Mota),  I appreciate hearing
about these lines.  Hopefully, I will eventually make a connection as
I hear more.  Maria making a connection is a perfect example. 
Please don't taken these into private emails. 
Irma



From: Joseph Puentes [mailto:makas@...r.com]

Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 5:14 AM
To:
LosRanchos
Subject: [ranchos] Open For Discussion/Limiting Specific
Discussion

this is open for discussion:

The idea was brought up about
suggesting that specific discussion about particular details of genealogy ties
be taken to private email after the inital flow of communication since it would
not be revelent to most members of the group. Hmmm . . .

Well first off
it seems to me that in the recent upsurge of discussion "provoked" by Carol
Lester (con carino) Maria Cortez might have been "forgotten" for possibly awhile
if that thread had been quickly taken to private email. I really don't like

Open For Discussion/Limiting Specific Discussion

Title: Re: [ranchos] Open For Discussion/Limiting Specific Discussion

Joseph,



I was hoping someone else would say this since I am new to this group. I am happy these people are communicating and moving on in their genealogy quest but I do not need to know about any of the details. Private email is the obvious solution and it is not clear to me why these people are not making use of it.



Respectfully,



Ed





On 3/13/05 5:13 AM, "Joseph Puentes" wrote:




this is open for discussion:



The idea was brought up about suggesting that specific discussion about particular details of genealogy ties be taken to private email after the inital flow of communication since it would not be revelent to most members of the group. Hmmm . . .



Well first off it seems to me that in the recent upsurge of discussion "provoked" by Carol Lester (con carino) Maria Cortez might have been "forgotten" for possibly awhile if that thread had been quickly taken to private email. I really don't like

Is this name Unusual?

Felipe Neri is a compound or composite name that I've encountered 
frequently on my IGI searches.  I believe as some of you have 
explained that it goes after the saint Felipe de Neri. 

However, Neri by itself is also a surname, like Rodolfo Neri Vela, 
the first mexican astronaut.

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, makas@n... wrote:
> 
> FELIPA NERI PALAFOX MEDINA  		
> 01 JUN 1794   	San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
>    	Father:  	YSIDRO PALAFOX 	Family
>    	Mother:  	MARIA SIMONA MEDINA 	
> 	C602865  	1790 - 1805  	0443675
> ===================================================
> ===================================================
> FELIPE NERI SERRANO AVILA
> 08 JUN 1803       San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
>        Father:      PEDRO SERRANO     Family
>        Mother:      MARIA CORONA DE AVILA
>      C602865      1790 - 1805      0443675
> =============================
> 
> Has anyone heard the name Felipe/Felipa Neri much?
> 
> 
> 
> I found this blip about Neri

Is this name Unusual?

-In the Catholic Church there is a St. Philip Neri (yes, he was 
Italian - I don't know anything more). Does this help?
- ncc-- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, makas@n... wrote:
> 
> FELIPA NERI PALAFOX MEDINA  		
> 01 JUN 1794   	San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
>    	Father:  	YSIDRO PALAFOX 	Family
>    	Mother:  	MARIA SIMONA MEDINA 	
> 	C602865  	1790 - 1805  	0443675
> ===================================================
> ===================================================
> FELIPE NERI SERRANO AVILA
> 08 JUN 1803       San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
>        Father:      PEDRO SERRANO     Family
>        Mother:      MARIA CORONA DE AVILA
>      C602865      1790 - 1805      0443675
> =============================
> 
> Has anyone heard the name Felipe/Felipa Neri much?
> 
> 
> 
> I found this blip about Neri it sounds Italian:
> 
> http://www.midrealm.org/heraldry/escutcheon/0011/0011.html
> 
> 3) Catalana Di Neri. New Name.
> 
> (Würm Wald)
> 
> The client attaches a

New file uploaded to ranchos


Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the ranchos 
group.

  File        : /Helen C. Lester (NANACAROLL@...)/Jose Marin Alvarez 
  Uploaded by : makas_nc  
  Description :  

You can access this file at the URL:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ranchos/files/Helen%20C.%20Lester%20%28NANACAROLL%40peoplepc.com%29/Jose%20Marin%20Alvarez 

To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files

Regards,

makas_nc 
 







Open For Discussion/Limiting Specific Discussion

this is open for discussion:



The idea was brought up about suggesting that specific discussion about
particular details of genealogy ties be taken to private email after
the inital flow of communication since it would not be revelent to most
members of the group. Hmmm . . .



Well first off it seems to me that in the recent upsurge of discussion
"provoked" by Carol Lester (con carino) Maria Cortez might have been
"forgotten" for possibly awhile if that thread had been quickly taken
to private email. I really don't like putting a rule on this kind of
thing. As long as its on topic I say let it all be said. Maybe we can
just kind of internally consider when discussion about a particular
connection between members has been sufficiently
"advertised" so that all have had a fair chance at getting the message.
On a volunteer basis we can then just let these threads fade into
private email that is until some part of it needs to be brought back to
the group like an addition to the genealogy

Is this name Unusual?


FELIPA NERI PALAFOX MEDINA  		
01 JUN 1794   	San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
  	Father:  	YSIDRO PALAFOX 	Family
  	Mother:  	MARIA SIMONA MEDINA 	
	C602865  	1790 - 1805  	0443675
===================================================
===================================================
FELIPE NERI SERRANO AVILA
08 JUN 1803       San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
      Father:      PEDRO SERRANO     Family
      Mother:      MARIA CORONA DE AVILA
    C602865      1790 - 1805      0443675
=============================

Has anyone heard the name Felipe/Felipa Neri much?



I found this blip about Neri it sounds Italian:

http://www.midrealm.org/heraldry/escutcheon/0011/0011.html

3) Catalana Di Neri. New Name.

(Würm Wald)

The client attaches a letter from Saint Gabriel (#1737) but provides no
summary (again, my apologies for any error in summarizing the contents).
The name (spelled Catalana di Neri) is described as "typical" of late
15th century Italy. Catalana is documented

Totatiche/San Cristobal De La Barranca: Lookups Request



if anyone has the time next time you're looking I'd appreciate a
lookup, thanks,



joseph



===================


Dolores
ENRIQUEZ
      Age
At Marriage: 
42
Sex:


Event(s):    
Birth: 1820> Place: Rancho
de Animas

Parents:    
  Father: Juan
ENRIQUEZ
  Mother: Trinidad
DEL MURO

Marriage:    
Spouse: Petra
FLORES
Age At
Marriage:
 30
Marriage: 23
Jun 1862
Place: Totatiche,
Jalisco, Mexico

Notes:    
   Husband
previously married
 

"Dos Reales Cedules"

Well that is DEFINITELY much better.  I had
originally thought the item was a seal, like the kind imprinted on wax.:) 
Marge:)
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 5:41
PM
Subject: Re: [ranchos] "Dos Reales
Cedules"

well since there seems to be a little interest and since
all I need is
not even a crack in the door to jump in with both feet. here
are some
better pictures:



Carol Turner wrote:

>Hi
Joseph, my dad just emailed me and said this coin
>is a twenty five cent
coin, he remembers his dad use
>to tell him that but he also looked it
up in the
>Spanish dictionery to be sure.

>
>Carol
>
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>
>Yahoo! Groups
Links
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>

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"Dos Reales Cedules"

well since there seems to be a little interest and since all I need is
not even a crack in the door to jump in with both feet. here are some
better pictures:




Carol Turner wrote:

Hi Joseph, my dad just emailed me and said this coin
is a twenty five cent coin, he remembers his dad use
to tell him that but he also looked it up in the

Spanish dictionery to be sure.

Carol



Yahoo! Groups Links











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"Dos Reales Cedules"

Hi, Carol!  Just wanted to tell you that my
aunt Carmen says we have a relative surnamed Muro!  Marge:)


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Carol Turner


Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 2:47
PM

Subject: [ranchos] "Dos Reales
Cedules"


Hi Joseph, my dad just emailed me and said this coin
is
a twenty five cent coin, he remembers his dad use
to tell him that but he
also looked it up in the
Spanish dictionery to be sure.


Carol




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Mota and Campos

Kitty:
 
Kitty:
I am going to try and copy another file, the Alvarez file to my files on the group site. So the Alvares(z) side will be posted and available for the group.....Just in case, by some MIRACLE I find a "Alvares " (z) connection! None of the Alvares names you listed are in my records for my Alvares family. 
 
I"m sorry, I must have got confused about your Mota line.  I would really appreciate the look-ups!  So nice of you to offer! These are the names and documents I need:
 
Sara Campos Mota
b:09 APR 1896 Las Velas Zac. Mx
Parents: Lorenzo De Campos and Victoriana Mota
I also need her siblings names and birthdates.
 
So, we are related through  Juan Manuel de Campos wife', Maria Antonia Luna (my 5th generation grandmother)?  Ynes Gertrudis Luna was Antonia's sister.  How is she related to you and Rich?
 
Carol


-----Original Message-----
From: Kitty Cortez
Sent: Mar 12, 2005 12:46 AM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Mota and Campos

Carol
Our Victoria Mota is

"Dos Reales Cedules"

This is correct. In Powell's book about Miguel Caldera he has a footnote:
"... This peso de oro común was the basic accounting unit of the royal
treasury in Mexico, and its value was 272 maravedis, divided into eight
reales or tomines of 34 maravedis each (hence, later, the "piece of eight"
and our "bit", one eighth of a dollar). " Thus it is 2 bits or a quarter of
a peso.

George

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carol Turner"

To: 
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 12:47 PM
Subject: [ranchos] "Dos Reales Cedules"



Hi Joseph, my dad just emailed me and said this coin
is a twenty five cent coin, he remembers his dad use
to tell him that but he also looked it up in the
Spanish dictionery to be sure.

Carol



Yahoo! Groups Links










"Dos Reales Cedules"

Hi Joseph, my dad just emailed me and said this coin
is a twenty five cent coin, he remembers his dad use
to tell him that but he also looked it up in the
Spanish dictionery to be sure. 

Carol

Anyone else on the East Coast?

I live in Florida.

That's a little closer to you Joseph.

Dora


--- Maria/Mark Uhlenburg 
wrote:

> I'm from Folsom, California, which is in the county
> of Sacramento.
> 
> Maria-Elena Uhlenburg-Gutierrez
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: glo Sandoval-Fuentes 
>   To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 3:14 PM
>   Subject: RE: [ranchos] Anyone else on the East
> Coast?
> 
> 
>   Southern California over here.
> 
> 
> 
>                  ~~glo~~
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   From: Joseph Puentes 
>   Reply-To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
>   To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: [ranchos] Anyone else on the East Coast?
>   Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 18:10:28 -0500
> 
>   other than California I know that we have a member
> in VA, I'm in NC, you in 
>   OH, and TX oh and UT and MA
> 
>   anyone else on the East Coast?
> 
>   joseph
> 
> 
>   Carol Lester wrote:
> 
>   >It is so exciting isn't it?!!  As for a reunion,
> that would be

Anyone else on the East Coast?

I'm from Folsom, California, which is in the county
of Sacramento.
 
Maria-Elena Uhlenburg-Gutierrez
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 3:14
PM
Subject: RE: [ranchos] Anyone else on the
East Coast?

Southern California over
here.



              
~~glo~~






From: Joseph Puentes makas@...>
Reply-To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject:
[ranchos] Anyone else on the East Coast?
Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 18:10:28
-0500

other than California I know that we have a member in VA, I'm in
NC, you in
OH, and TX oh and UT and MA

anyone else on the East
Coast?

joseph


Carol Lester wrote:

>It is so
exciting isn't it?!!  As for a reunion, that would be grand!!!  I

>live in Ohio, however..and I am assuming a lot of the ranchos group
live in
>California, and the surrounding states?
> 
Carol
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Joseph
Puentes
>Sent: Mar 9