Thanks Everyone: I Need Help with Penmanship: Ynes Flores de ??????



wow, thanks everyone. . .you all are great. I appreciate the help.
thanks again



joseph





Alberto Duarte wrote:

According to my wife, Colico (colic), has to do with a
stomach aliment.  She told me the stomach inflates
with air which sometimes results in death. 

For a long time, the drinking water in Mexico was not
treated, which probably caused many deaths, especially
in young children and older adults.

Alberto.
--- Alicia Carrillo  wrote:
  
Joseph,
 
Is this a death certificate. It seems as if it might
say "murio de colico", meaning died of a colic.
Does this make sense?
Alicia

Joseph Puentes  wrote:

If any of you have time could you look at this
record and tell me what 
you think Simon Torres' wife's complete name is?
Seems to me that it is
Maria Ynes Flores de ???Lisar. . .Lisas. . .Livar. .
.Livan. . .???

What is "Colico?"

Can anyone make out the date of the record?

shucks if anyone has time maybe you could give
whatever details you

I Need Help with Penmanship: Ynes Flores de ??????

According to my wife, Colico (colic), has to do with a
stomach aliment.  She told me the stomach inflates
with air which sometimes results in death. 

For a long time, the drinking water in Mexico was not
treated, which probably caused many deaths, especially
in young children and older adults.

Alberto.
--- Alicia Carrillo  wrote:
> Joseph,
>  
> Is this a death certificate. It seems as if it might
> say "murio de colico", meaning died of a colic.
> Does this make sense?
> Alicia
> 
> Joseph Puentes  wrote:
> 
> If any of you have time could you look at this
> record and tell me what 
> you think Simon Torres' wife's complete name is?
> Seems to me that it is
> Maria Ynes Flores de ???Lisar. . .Lisas. . .Livar. .
> .Livan. . .???
> 
> What is "Colico?"
> 
> Can anyone make out the date of the record?
> 
> shucks if anyone has time maybe you could give
> whatever details you have 
> time to decipher.
> 
> thanks,
> 
> joseph
> 
> ps: Pedro Torres was my GGGG

I Need Help with Penmanship: Ynes Flores de ??????

Hi, Joseph,
 
It is a death certificate from February 7 (?) (siete) 1822.  He died of la grippe (gripa?).(or colic).  He was the  second husband of Mrs. Ramires, his widow, or it was his second marriage, I can't quite figure that out.  It does look like his mother was Ynes Flores de Lisar.
 
Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Puentes
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 2:17 PM
To: LosRanchos
Subject: [ranchos] I Need Help with Penmanship: Ynes Flores de ??????
 


If any of you have time could you look at this record and tell me what
you think Simon Torres' wife's complete name is? Seems to me that it is
Maria Ynes Flores de ???Lisar. . .Lisas. . .Livar. . .Livan. . .???

What is "Colico?"

Can anyone make out the date of the record?

shucks if anyone has time maybe you could give whatever details you have
time to decipher.

thanks,

joseph

ps: Pedro Torres was my GGGG grandfather via his marriage to my GGGG
grandmother Maria Gertrudis Marquez and their daughter my GGG
gr

I Need Help with Penmanship: Ynes Flores de ??????

It also looks as if it is Ynes Flores de
Lisar.  Marge:)
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 4:45
PM
Subject: Re: [ranchos] I Need Help with
Penmanship: Ynes Flores de ??????

Joseph,
 
Is this a death certificate. It seems as if it might say "murio de
colico", meaning died of a colic.
Does this make sense?
Alicia

Joseph Puentes makas@...> wrote:


If
any of you have time could you look at this record and tell me what
you
think Simon Torres' wife's complete name is? Seems to me that it is
Maria
Ynes Flores de ???Lisar. . .Lisas. . .Livar. . .Livan. . .???

What is
"Colico?"

Can anyone make out the date of the record?

shucks
if anyone has time maybe you could give whatever details you have
time
to decipher.

thanks,

joseph

ps: Pedro Torres was my
GGGG grandfather via his marriage to my GGGG
grandmother Maria Gertrudis
Marquez and their

I Need Help with Penmanship: Ynes Flores de ??????

Joseph,
 
Is this a death certificate. It seems as if it might say "murio de colico", meaning died of a colic.
Does this make sense?
Alicia

Joseph Puentes wrote:


If any of you have time could you look at this record and tell me what
you think Simon Torres' wife's complete name is? Seems to me that it is
Maria Ynes Flores de ???Lisar. . .Lisas. . .Livar. . .Livan. . .???

What is "Colico?"

Can anyone make out the date of the record?

shucks if anyone has time maybe you could give whatever details you have
time to decipher.

thanks,

joseph

ps: Pedro Torres was my GGGG grandfather via his marriage to my GGGG
grandmother Maria Gertrudis Marquez and their daughter my GGG
grandmother Eduarda Torres--->GG grandfather Cecilio Puente--->G
grandfather Julio Puente--> grandfather Julio Puentes

AND I also believe Pedro Torres was my GGGG grandfather when he later
married Maria Josefa Ramirez after Gertrudis Marquez died (most likely)
and their son Rafael Torres
my GGG grandfather--->Andrea Torres

I Need Help with Penmanship: Ynes Flores de ??????


If any of you have time could you look at this record and tell me what
you think Simon Torres' wife's complete name is? Seems to me that it is

Maria Ynes Flores de ???Lisar. . .Lisas. . .Livar. . .Livan. . .???

What is "Colico?"

Can anyone make out the date of the record?

shucks if anyone has time maybe you could give whatever details you have
time to decipher.


thanks,

joseph

ps: Pedro Torres was my GGGG grandfather via his marriage to my GGGG
grandmother Maria Gertrudis Marquez and their daughter my GGG
grandmother Eduarda Torres--->GG grandfather Cecilio Puente--->G
grandfather Julio Puente--> grandfather Julio Puentes


AND I also believe Pedro Torres was my GGGG grandfather when he later
married Maria Josefa Ramirez after Gertrudis Marquez died (most likely)
and their son Rafael Torres my GGG grandfather--->Andrea Torres GG
grandmother-->Francisco Diaz G grandfather--->Virginia Diaz grandmother.

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Hmmm, seems like Yahoo changed up on us!


Sorry about that but Yahoo just went and changed up on us.

I've been playing with the colors but can't seem to get it back to the
place we were. I don't like the yellow letters to the left but I can't
seem to change those colors. If someone out there with more color
aptitude than I wants to send me a few suggestions I'll give them a try.

thanks,

joseph

ps: April 15th is just a matter of days away.






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El Español como segunda lengua...

Hola mis queridos primos y amigos.
Muchas gracias por sus emphaticos y eloquantes respuestas.
Me parece que uds. escriben y se comunican muy demaciadamente bien.
Yo tengo envidia de uds.,(ha-ha).
No, en serio, yo estudie el Espanol empezando en el 'Colegio Ingles de Tijuana, B.C.
Mi madre es de La Ciudad de Mexico, mi padre tiene raices con nuestros antepasados en 'Los Altos de Jalisco.
Yo, creanlo o no, nunga he echo el intento de viajar a ese rumbo, pero quizas un dia.
Lo he estado pensando. Nada mas una idea, (de trampa, quizas?)
Bueno, Gracias de nuevo por su querida invitacion, y la aprecio mucho.
Me dejan 'chateado' con sus aprecios.
Hasta luego, y epero oir mas de uds.
Oh, este, los tres paises nada mas son afinaciones mias.
Viene siendo decir que amo mucho a Mexico, y sus costumbres, claro, pero tengo una fascinacion con la Europa en los Tiempos Medios.
Espero que me explique lo mejor que pudiera.
Su amigo, Armando J. Lopez Valadez. 

Victor Villarreal wrote:


Ali

El Teul

Peggy,

I just checked the "Diccionario Geográfico, Histórico y Biográfico de
los Estados Unidos Mexicanos" by Antonio García Cubas, there is a link
to it in the links section of the group.  It talks about a Teul in
Tlaltenango, Zacatecas.

I hope this helps.

Jonathan

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "PeggyDelgado"  wrote:
> 
> I have a small problem.  I was trying to find my maternal 
> grandfather, who was born in, according to his INS Green card, Teul 
> in Zacatecas, but I can't find him.  How many Teuls are there in 
> Zacatecas besides Teul de Gonzales and Teul de Jimenez?  I looked at 
> both records for his birth year and still couldn't find him.  Is 
> there another Teul?




El Español como segunda lengua...

Alicia,

Me uno a tí para darle la bienvenida a Armando, pero estoy en 
desacuerdo contigo.

Con todo respeto para nuestros amigos hispano-parlantes, pero tu no 
tienes nada que envidiarle a nadie respecto a tu Español.

Si nunca hubiera leído ninguna palabra tuya, excepto el mensaje de 
abajo, no tendría la menor duda que el Espanol es tu primer lengua.  

Felicidades!

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alicia Carrillo  wrote:
> Bienvenido Armando,
>  
> En la forma que escribes el espanol parece que has estudiado en 
Mexico. Que envidia tengo porque como quiciera poder escribir como tu 
escribes. 
>  
> Mi nombre es Alicia Avelar Aguayo, Olmos, Ruiz de Carrillo y vivo 
junto con mi esposo en San Jose, California. Mis padres me trajeron a 
Estados Unidos cuando tenia apenas dos anos de edad y jamas he 
estudiado el espanol, ni en Mexico ni en Estados Unidos. Nuestros 
padres inculcaron en nostoros el amor a nuestra lengua, cultura, 
comida, musica, su gente y

El Teul

Peggy,

 

I don't know if this might be the case for your area of research but I do know that in some municipalities there may be certain years when records, civil or parish have been burned or destroyed, in some cases due to wars, revolutions a natural disaster such as fire or some other strange occurence. You might want to look into this. It's possible to check on a website to your research area and you can call the registry and ask if there are any years that are lost or destroyed.

 

Just a thought and suggestion.

 

Alicia

PeggyDelgado
wrote:


I have a small problem.  I was trying to find my maternal
grandfather, who was born in, according to his INS Green card, Teul
in Zacatecas, but I can't find him.  How many Teuls are there in
Zacatecas besides Teul de Gonzales and Teul de Jimenez?  I looked at
both records for his birth year and still couldn't find him.  Is
there another Teul?





El Teul

I have a small problem.  I was trying to find my maternal 
grandfather, who was born in, according to his INS Green card, Teul 
in Zacatecas, but I can't find him.  How many Teuls are there in 
Zacatecas besides Teul de Gonzales and Teul de Jimenez?  I looked at 
both records for his birth year and still couldn't find him.  Is 
there another Teul?





Familia LOPEZ de Los Altos, Jal., Mex.

Bienvenido Armando,
 
En la forma que escribes el espanol parece que has estudiado en Mexico. Que envidia tengo porque como quiciera poder escribir como tu escribes.
 
Mi nombre es Alicia Avelar Aguayo, Olmos, Ruiz de Carrillo y vivo junto con mi esposo en San Jose, California. Mis padres me trajeron a Estados Unidos cuando tenia apenas dos anos de edad y jamas he estudiado el espanol, ni en Mexico ni en Estados Unidos. Nuestros padres inculcaron en nostoros el amor a nuestra lengua, cultura, comida, musica, su gente y todo lo que es tradicional de Mexico. Naci en Tlachichila Zacatecas que pertenece al Municipio de Nochistlan. Nochistlan se encuentra en la parte sur de Zacatecas y justo en Nochistlan colinda con el estado de Jalisco.
 
He notado que tu direccion de correo electronico habla de tres paises, sera porque deciendes de tres nacionalidades? Me intereso mucho tu mensaje porque eres la primer persona que se comunica solo en espanol.
 
Hasta luego y bienvenido al grupo, Alicia

Familia LOPEZ de Los Altos, Jal., Mex.



Armando,



bienvenido al grupo.



ojala que vas a hayar unos familiares de la family Lopez de Los Altos.
Hay muchos aqui de Los Altos pero no se si son de la familia Lopez. Que
son otros appellidos que buscas?



mis parientes vienen mas para el Norte de Jalisco en Ranchos cerca de
Colotlan y Santa Maria de Los Angeles.



desde Jesus Maria, Jalisco aqui estan muchos filmes de actos de
bautismo y matrimonio que puedes mira en una biblioteca genealogica
cerca de usted:


Title

Registros parroquiales, 1796-1962

Authors

Iglesia Católica. Sagrada Familia (Jesús María, Jalisco) (Main
Author)

Notes

Microfilme de manuscritos en el archivo de la parroquia.

Algunos de los libros incluyen índice.

Parish registers of baptisms, confirmations and marriages from Jesús
María, Jalisco, Mexico.

Subjects

Mexico, Jalisco, Jesús María - Church records

Format

Manuscript (On Film)

Language

Spanish

Publication

Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmados por la Sociedad Geneal�gica de
Utah, 1962

Physical

50

Familia LOPEZ de Los Altos, Jal., Mex.

       Distinguidos y estimados compatriotas.
Les deseo lo mejor en este ano.
Estoy muy ancioso de conocer a familiares lejanos de la familia LOPEZ 
de Arandas, y Jesus Maria, Jalisco.
Mi abuelo, Aureliano Lopez Hurtado, n. 1911, en Jesus maria.
Su padre, Vicente Lopez, n. Mayo 19, 1888, en Jesus Maria?, o Arandas, 
Jal., no estoy seguro.
Su padre, de Vicente Lopez, Gregorio Lopez, n. 1852, en Guadalajara, 
Jal., de donde provienen mis antacadentes.
Pienso que de alli viene de Analco, porque eran Rancheros 'criollos'.
No se en cual rancho residaron, en Los Altos, quisiera 
desesperadamente saber.
No tengo comunicacion con ellos.
La familia hoy en dia vive en Los Angeles, Ca.
Se mudaron alli en 1930., con todos los hermanos de Aureliano.
Si alguien es LOPEZ de alii, por favor contactenme, y chequen mis 
mensajes, en 'LOPEZ GENEALOGY.COM'
Gracias, y buena suerte a todos.
Sinceramente, Armando J. Lopez V.




[Fwd: Las Porciones Society Meeting: March 28, 2005]

Anyone living in TX might consider going to this for the GENERAL
information. I know that it doesn't pertain to our specific target area
but the topic of Marriage Investigations certainly does.



joseph



-------- Original Message --------

Subject: Las Porciones Society Meeting: March 28, 2005
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:17:58 -0600
From: George Gause
To: 'George Gause'




LAS PORCIONES SOCIETY

Meeting:  MONDAY, MARCH 28, 2005

Social Hour   6:30 p.m.
Program   7:00 P.M.

FIRST UNITED METHODIST CHURCH
Kionina Room on Eastside of Main Lobby (downstairs)
4200 North McColl Road,  McAllen, Texas
(1 block North of Nolana Loop)

Program:  

MARRIAGE INVESTIGATIONS OF THE DIOCESE OF
 GUADALAJARA PERTAINING TO COAHUILA, NUEVO LEON,
NUEVO SANTADER AND TEXAS
Presented by 
Baldomero Vela, Jr., Co-Author of Index

FUTURE PROGRAMS AND ACTIVITIES-Discussion by 
Membership

Need help with ranchos group

 Joseph,
 
I haven't gone in the yahoo groups in a long time, and today when I wanted to, I couldn't get in.  So I recreated my yahoo account to read lunalatina1955, however I requested that mail from the group still go to my aol email address.  Is there something you need to do to allow me re-access into the groups?
Thanks for all you do.
 
Esperanza

 
-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Puentes
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:34:36 -0500
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Who's Who Listing


Great great suggestion. Everyone should take Angie up on her offer to 
help if you have any problems. This is really pretty straight forward. 
So why not gather your names and places within our Target area (Jalisco, 
Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes) and put them into the database? That way 
someone can see the short description and locations and be able to then 
go directly to your file to see if there is a connection. I'm going to 
do this soon but time prevents me from doing

Who's Who Listing

Great great suggestion. Everyone should take Angie up on her offer to
help if you have any problems. This is really pretty straight forward.
So why not gather your names and places within our Target area (Jalisco,
Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes) and put them into the database? That way
someone can see the short description and locations and be able to then
go directly to your file to see if there is a connection. I'm going to
do this soon but time prevents me from doing it for the next week or so
because of an exam I need to study for. . .


thanks Angie,

joseph


aajay1073 wrote:

HELLO EVERYONE:

I was thinking...

As the group gets bigger and as new members join, it might be easier
to keep track of one another if we had a central sign in area. I
thought if we created a database and everyone entered themselves into
that table, it would help some. The database section of the group is
only available to memebers only.


Here are some instructions on how to add yourself to

Pineda family in Tlaltenango, Zacatecas

Hi Chris,
do you have Juan Pineda in your family? 
He may have married my Great Grandmother, Maria Correa.  My maiden name is Pineda, however, my
grandfather, Jacinto Pineda Sr., was really born Jacinto Aguirre.  My Great-Great grandfather Baudelio
Aguirre died, supposedly, during the revolution and my G-Grandma Marie,
married, here or in Mexico, Juan Pineda. 
He gave my grandfather, my grandfather’s siblings, his last name. My
Aguirre Line and Correa line are all from Tlaltenango.

Anyway, I was
always interested in this man who took another mans children and made them his
own……

I have a
picture of him if you’re interested. 
I don’t know his age, though. 
My G-grandmother Maria died in 1961, she was 70 years old.  I’m guessing he was about the same age,
more or less.

 

Thanks

 

Peggy
Delgado

 

-----Original
Message-----

From: Chris Pineda
[mailto:pineda37@...]

Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005
11:33 AM

To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [ranchos] Pineda family
in

Pineda family in Tlaltenango, Zacatecas

Hi all,

I'm new to this group but I would like to say what I'm
searching for at this point. 

I'm looking for any information on the family of my
great-grandparents, Nicanor Pineda and Emilia
Gonzalez, both from Tlaltenango, Zacatecas.  They came
to Laredo, Texas in the 1920s.  

Based on the 1930 Census records that I've found,
Nicanor Pineda was born around 1895 and his wife,
Emilia Gonzalez was born around 1907.  I've looked at
some of the 1890s microfilm from Tlatenango at my
local FHC but have not really had any luck.  I've
realized at this point that the Census records can
often be wrong with dates.  What was interesting was
that I did not find one 'Pineda' but there were
several people with the name 'Pinedo.'

I'm hoping this may connect with somebody out there. 
As a side note, I do have extensive information on my
family roots in Nuevo Leon and Mier, Tamaulipas.  I'll
be loading up later today.

Hope to hear from someone,

Chris Pineda


		
__________________________________

Who's Who Listing

HELLO EVERYONE:

I was thinking...

As the group gets bigger and as new members join, it might be easier 
to keep track of one another if we had a central sign in area.  I 
thought if we created a database and everyone entered themselves into 
that table, it would help some.  The database section of the group is 
only available to memebers only.

Here are some instructions on how to add yourself to the database:

1.  On the left hand side menu, click on "Database".
2.  You should see a list of tables, click on "Who's Who".
Note: Here is a direct link to skip step 1 and 2 -> 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ranchos/database?method=reportRows&tbl=2

3.  Click on "Add Record"
4.  Type in your information and Select the "Save Record" button.
5.  You should now see your information in the table.

Let me know if you have any suggestions, comments, questions, etc...

Thanks,
Angie Godina





Monte de Duranes

Lorenzo and I did have some communication and we don't seem to have the same surnames, at least not yet. In any case if there were a connection it would lead to my husband and not to me.
 
However I did find many surnames of Aguayo and Avelar married to Borroel's which is Lorenzo's family lineage and my surnames of interest on my father's side are Avelar (my grandfather and Aguayo, my grandmother. It seems that Nochistlan was and is heavily populated with Aguayo's and Avelars to this date.
 
In my search I also discovered a new surname of Ortega on my GGG maternal grandmother and my GGG paternal grandmother. Another unusual connection was in Julian Carrillo's birth document, it shows his grandmother, his mother's mother as Antonia Olmos, that might put my husband and myself as third or fourth cousins as my maternal grandfather was Lauro Olmos.
 
Pretty convoluted if you ask me!
Alicia

Joseph Puentes wrote:


go to "link" go to "2000 Mexican Census" go to "Zacatecas" go to
"