TEST SITE - DO NOT USE - Development only

1) go to http://www.familysearch.org



2) click on "Search"



the window will look like this:

	Father Last Name *First Name *Last Name Mother Last Name    Spouse Last Name

http://www.newmexicogenealogy.org/wasnoname.htm#Language

http://www.fsu.edu/~guadalaj/Censuses_History_1600-1820.htm

Hello Ranchos group,



For many years I have been stuck at a impassable dead end.  I pray that someone out there could possibly help me out.



It all began when I discovered the marriage record of two of my ancestors.  Joseph Miguel Zaldivar (Saldivar) married María de los Dolores Jáuregui, in Nochistlán, Zacatecas, on 7 April 1777.  The marriage document said that Joseph Miguel Saldivar was "hijo legítimo de Xavier Saldivar y de María Josepha González."  Ma. de los Dolores Jáuregui was "hija legítima de Joseph Francisco de Jáuregui y de María Josepha Jiménez."  My Jáuregui line is well documented, and I have had no major problems there.



The problem is with Xavier Saldivar and María Josepha González.  I have found a few baptisms of their children in Jalostotitlán: Isidro Bonifacio Saldivar, bap. 28 May 1752; Segundo Pastor Saldivar, bap. 21 April 1754; María de los Dolores Saldivar, bap. 09 March 1760; and Bernardino Sinesio Saldivar, bap. 07 June 1761.  But no marriage.



I have seen Xa

A very big thank you to Steven Hernandez for pointing us in the
direction of this website:

http://www.e-local.gob.mx/enciclo.html

the actual home page is: http://www.e-local.gob.mx/

there is a lot of info on Mexico on this site but Zacatecas and
Aguascalientes doesn't seem to be represented on the list of states with
write-ups:

for Jalisco:
http://www.e-local.gob.mx/enciclo/jalisco/

then click on Municipios for a list.

for Chihuahua:
http://www.e-local.gob.mx/enciclo/chihuahua/index.html

then click on Municipios for a list.

Hello everyone,



I thought I should take some time to respond to some queries regarding whether or not Jamay, Jalisco, actually exists or if it has been abandoned.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  Jamay is a small but nice town overlooking Lake Chapala.  It is between Ocotlán and La Barca along the Carretera Guadalajara-México,D.F.  I have been there a few times.  I remember climbing the steps with my mom, dad, brothers, aunt, and my "Abuelita Lupe" up to the church of Nuestra Señora de Guadalupe on top of a hill when I was 8 years old.  I pass by there all the time whenever I go visit my family in Ocotlán.  My mom was born in the town of Cuitzeo, just next door to Ocotlán (on the other side of the river).  My grandfather was born in "El Xoconoxtle" northeast of Ocotlán.  Both my mom and her dad were baptized in the parish church in Ocotlán.  My mom has many fond memories of Ocotlán, Cuitzeo, Jamay, and La Barca where she and my grandparents visited frequently, and sometimes

http://www.expedia.com  is a good place for Mexican maps.

Also another good place for maps is in the "links" section.

go to the home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ranchos

on the left side of the page is a bunch of areas of the group with
additional information.

look at the "files" look at the "links" look at the fotos "just me and
the wife in this area"

click on links

click on the bottom link called "Maps of Mexico"

go down the page to where it says "state maps"

scroll down to Jalisco

click on the map section that has the large lake on it.

look next to Ocolotlan and you'll find Jamay.

joseph

ps: if anyone at all is having trouble accessing the different links and
areas of the group let me know. We'll work on it together if you like.

J. Macias wrote:

Friends; I keep seeing locations that are not Jalisco and presume
that those locations are very close to Jalisco. I can't find "Jamay"
Jalisco on a map, was it town that is now abandoned? I wonder, where
is

Angel,
I did a search at www.google.com; Typed in "General Pedro Zamora" and 
received two results.
Below are the results:

yucatan - [ Translate this page ]
... escribela don... Prólogo por el general Pedro Zamora Castellanos, 
Guatemala,
[Nacional], 1933, xxv + 516 pp. (Biblioteca "Goathemala ... 
www.unam.mx/ceiich/bibliografias/yucatan.html - 101k - Cached - Similar pages 

Militares y Militarismo - Ejército chileno en el siglo XIX: ... - [ Translate 
this page ]
... Al respecto, véase al general Pedro Zamora Castellanos, Vida militar de 
Centro
América, Guatemala, 1924. [14] Ibíd, vol. 409. [15] Memoria..., op. ... 
www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/7109/eje3.html - 67k - 

The contents in the following website
      http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/7109/carlos.html

had the following information:

[13] Chile no fue el único caso de cooperación militar con Francia en la 
región. En el siglo XIX también hubo una fuerte influencia castrense gala en 
Colombia y El Salvador. Al

This site has a great map of Lake Chapala and its surrounding towns
including Jamay.
http://www.travel-hotels-mexico.com/jalisco-hotels/jamay-hotels-1.htm

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Does any one know about a General named Pedro Zamora? 
He was a rebel General that fought with Emiliano
Zapata in the southern part of Mexico.  I would
appreciate any information that any one has on this
individual.

Thank You,
Angel R. Cervantes

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  Friends;  I keep seeing locations that are not Jalisco and presume 
that those locations are very close to Jalisco. I can't find "Jamay" 
Jalisco on a map, was it town that is now abandoned? I wonder, where 
is Rancho San Agustin ?  How close are La Barca to Guadalagara ?

  The reason that I asked was because my Great-grandfather (Estavan 
Ramirez)was born in Portezuelo, Jalisco , married my Great-
grandmother (Alvina Navaro)Born in San Agustin, Jalisco. My mom said 
that Estevan was a french soldier that changed his name from Dubois 
to Ramirez. He met and married Alvina(the foreman's daughter)while in 
hiding at San Agostin.  My mother,Julia Ramirez was born to Estevan 
and Alvina's son Modesto Ramirez, in Guadalajara on 22 May 1908. My 
mother said that the records of my great-grandfather, Estevan are 
kept by a lady in "Chapulapec". I think there is a famous place 
called Chapultepec, but is it in Jalisco ? Is there a place in 
Jalisco by the same name ?How would a person check

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the ranchos 
group.

  File        : /Ybarra/Barrios Book.doc 
  Uploaded by : javier_m_barrios  
  Description : Barrios/Ybarra  History 

You can access this file at the URL

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ranchos/files/Ybarra/Barrios%20Book.doc 

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Regards,

javier_m_barrios 
 

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Walker"  wrote:
> Hi,
> One of the ways, to find the batch numbers, for a locality is by
going to a FHC, and looking at the Parish and Vital Records List, it
is on microfiche.  And is only current as of 1998.
> 
> I am including  the scanned image, of the list for Villanueva,
Zacatecas.
> 
> Good luck, and any questions let me know.
> 
> Jon Walker
> jonwalker@p...

Jon,

Kitty Cortez was asking about finding Batch numbers and I thought of
your above response. Can you give us a few more words on this? also
would you care to comment on the LDS meaning in this response. I
didn't exactly understand how this reply would help in getting batch
numbers:

"You can see the ordinance dates on the Internet International
Genealogical Index IF you register AS A MEMBER of The Church of Jesus
Christ of Latter-day Saints."

Would you happen to know if there is a relation between batch numbers
and ordinance dates? 

thanks,

joseph

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the ranchos 
group.

  File        : /Aah-ther Stuff/Members LDS Films/Deena Ortiz' Nochislan, Zacatecas 
  Uploaded by : makas_nc  
  Description : Matrimonio Films 

You can access this file at the URL

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ranchos/files/Aah-ther%20Stuff/Members%20LDS%20Films/Deena%20Ortiz%27%20Nochislan%2C%20Zacatecas 

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Regards,

makas_nc 
 

I've thought of another name variation -- particularly with the extracted
records in the IGI database at familysearch.org:

Yáñez with all its variant spellings can be found transcribed as Nanes.

~Deena Ortiz~

has anyone ordered any Census records for Villanueva, Zacatecas? If so
have you come across a Rancho by the name of "Rancho de los Negros?"

thanks,

joseph

yes write the info down but also make copies from their film readers on the
more important ones or on all relatives if you can afford it. But if you
do this make absoluetly sure you write down the film number the volume number
the page number and record number if available for each record you copy.
In a few months or even years you'll be able to go back to the film so easy
with this info recorded.



but writing down the Ranchos is important is good as you will start familiarizing
yourself about exactly where your familia came from. Even on each film of
a specific area there can be many many many Ranchos that are referred to.
One day you'll be able to see the name of the Rancho and realize that the
probability of this person being a relative is much more likely because very
many of the folks living there were relatives.



I'm glad you are enjoying your hunting. . .it is so thrilling and such a
rush when you find a new relative.



joseph



Irma GomezLucero wrote:

No

-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Puentes
[mailto:makas@...]
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 9:22
PM
To: LosRanchos
Subject: [ranchos] 1855 Colotlan Area
Padron

okay so how come you all have been keeping the
1855 Colotlan area census a secret? I was thrilled when I found the 1817
Census awhile ago but am simply blown away by what i found in the 1855 Census.
Seems like "all, todos, or at least muchos" of the familia that I have
researched since this past August showed up on this film. If you have family
in

So I need to order film # 0443798 for Sauz de Los Marquez if I'm reading
this correctly?

Carol

Joseph Puentes wrote:

 

okay so how come you all have been keeping the 1855 Colotlan area census
a secret? I was thrilled when I found the 1817 Census awhile ago but am
simply blown away by what i found in the 1855 Census. Seems like "all,
todos, or at least muchos" of the familia that I have researched since
this past August showed up on this film. If you have family in any of the
Ranchos I've listed you might want to order this film. Oh sorry for the
bad handwriting but as the list got longer I changed my mind about typing
the info. Please do ask me to explain any spelling variations you might
perceive as a result of bad handwriting. . .just be glad I was recording
the info several centuries ago.

joseph

ps: On this film I found my ggg grandfather Cipriano Puente, my ggg
grandparents Antonio Gonzales/Ignacia Gonzales, my gg grandgrandparents
Cecilio Puente/Dominga Varela, My gg

I'm estactic too...I'll be checking this out.

This is great - Carol

Joseph Puentes wrote:

 

okay so how come you all have been keeping the 1855 Colotlan area census
a secret? I was thrilled when I found the 1817 Census awhile ago but am
simply blown away by what i found in the 1855 Census. Seems like "all,
todos, or at least muchos" of the familia that I have researched since
this past August showed up on this film. If you have family in any of the
Ranchos I've listed you might want to order this film. Oh sorry for the
bad handwriting but as the list got longer I changed my mind about typing
the info. Please do ask me to explain any spelling variations you might
perceive as a result of bad handwriting. . .just be glad I was recording
the info several centuries ago.

joseph

ps: On this film I found my ggg grandfather Cipriano Puente, my ggg
grandparents Antonio Gonzales/Ignacia Gonzales, my gg grandgrandparents
Cecilio Puente/Dominga Varela, My gg grandparents: Maximo Gonzales

okay so how come you all have been keeping the 1855 Colotlan area census
a secret? I was thrilled when I found the 1817 Census awhile ago but am simply
blown away by what i found in the 1855 Census. Seems like "all, todos, or
at least muchos" of the familia that I have researched since this past August
showed up on this film. If you have family in any of the Ranchos I've listed
you might want to order this film. Oh sorry for the bad handwriting but as
the list got longer I changed my mind about typing the info. Please do ask
me to explain any spelling variations you might perceive as a result of bad
handwriting. . .just be glad I was recording the info several centuries ago.



joseph



ps: On this film I found my ggg grandfather Cipriano Puente, my ggg grandparents
Antonio Gonzales/Ignacia Gonzales, my gg grandgrandparents Cecilio Puente/Dominga
Varela, My gg grandparents: Maximo Gonzales/Serapia Diaz and my g grandfather
Julio Puente. . .not to mention many many other relatives I've