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Hi Roxanne,
I also found the term "no indigena" in Nayarit and Jalisco civil registrations. Also, I believe that the opposite term was "matriculado," to refer to indigenous individuals; I've also seen "de los antes llamados indios." This I know because a family who was previously called "indios" was (after the independence) called "matricullados del pueblo."

My hope is that after the independence everyone was considered "ciudadanos" of the new nation, and had done away with the caste attributions. But apparently, some still felt a need to continue making the determination. (?)

Saludos,
Claudia
www.guadalajaradispensas.com
www.sagradamitra.com

I do not know what to tell you about the exact meaning of that term. As you said literally means no indigenous, but why it was use it in this period of time is something I do not know. And I see it odd.I fund a study about "indigenismo en el Occidente de Mexico" It means in Jalisco, Michoacan, etc. that could be a clue about why government started to use the term "no indio" but I am not sure about it.

These are the link and the quote about it

http://www.redinterlocal.org/IMG/pdf_rojas-indigenas_occ_mex.pdf

Es importante remarcar que durante la restauración de la República Federal en 1867, los liberales emprendieron una feroz guerra contra la institución de la comunidad indígena, que influyó formalmente en la abolición de la tierra comunal y de los sistemas locales de autoridad. De manera concomitante, se reforzó la carga negativa del término indio, que incluso fue borrado del lenguaje forense.
Si bien ciertos discursos oficiales ensalzaban el glorioso pasado prehispánico y

Emilie,

The records for Lagos de Moreno and Aguascalientes for the same time period
have a similar pattern. See films 221879, 221404, 221504, and 221504 There
actually is an order to them you just have to find where certain records
begin and end and where they start again. The bautismos end and the
casamientos begin on 71. Then other records start on 241 again. The record
you were looking for is on page 72.

En 11 de junio de 1618 case y vele a Juan de Villalpando y a Francisca de la
Rocha fueron los padrinos Martin Veloso y Anna Perez.
https://www.familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-20567-24612-59?cc=186…

Armando

On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 8:13 PM, Emilie Garcia
wrote:

>
> Armando,
>
> In all my years looking at films, I have never seen one like 644362. It
> has everything but the kitchen sink in there, and groups of records are
> completely out of order throughout.
>
> The film has bautismos (and I saw many that said "espanola de la Villa")
> for both espanoles

Gracias Claudia por semejante trabajo, es excelente.

Puse en la búsqueda el apellido Chavez, pero me dio "no results" y sin embargo sé que tienes registrados a algunos Chavez en las listas. No sé si sea un problema del programa o estoy haciendo algo mal. Gracias de nuevo y buena suerte en todo.

Jorge Elias
Miami, FL

Hola José Antonio:

Yo también comparto contigo esta ascendencia, pero estoy un tanto confundido con mis líneas, espero tu puedas confirmarme si estoy en lo correcto:
1. Mi primera línea de Michel, me viene por el hijo de Diego de San Martín, Cristóbal de Ordoñez, casado con Francisca Ruiz Farache, ellos tuvieron por hijo a Juan Michel Ordoñez, quien contrajo matrimonio con Graciana Corona (desconozco el nombre de sus padres), tuvieron por hijo a J I Michel-Ordoñez (no sé que significa el J I), que tengo su fecha de nacimiento en 1609 en Guadalajara, él a su vez casó con Juana Bentancourt Ruiz (tampoco tengo datos de sus padres), ellos tuvieron por hija a Juana Michel y yo desciendo de su matrimonio con Fernando González Corona (hijo de Diego González Corona y Tapia y de Mariana Ruiz Galindo, de Diego si tengo los padres que fueron Hernán González Corona e Inés de Tapia y Aguayo, pero de Mariana no, lo curioso es que creo que otra antepasada mía es hermana de esta Mariana, llamada

Rafael,

I'm no expert, I have been researching my ancestors for a very short time. But by comparing the informantion on the Marriage Certificate to the 1930 census information, I would say very posibly... Yes. Looks like "they" corrected Senodia's age from 56 to 36, which would match her age based on the Marriage certificate. If age is indeed 56, then by common sense...wrong person.

Try to find Dario Miranda on the 1930 census, see if your great grandmother Leonor was living with him at that time. Looks like Senodia Landa was living by herself in Zacatecas during 1930.

Roberto Hdez

Claudia

Thank you for your gift to all of us as Nuestros Ranchos!

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Hello Alicia,

When they did away with the Pilot search they also changed the URLs (website
addresses) to the films. If you are using the same addresses as a few months
ago that might be your problem.
Try this link for Zacatecas and let us know if it works for you,
https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A%2F%2Fapi.fa…

Armando

On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 11:31 PM, Alicia Carrillo wrote:

> Help!!
>
> I'm still having issues with Family Search. I'm accessing it the way I've
> always accesed it to the state of Zacatecas. I was looking at film # 226688,
> bautismos de Nochistlan, 1894-1896, Volumen # 66. I viewed and extracted
> data from image # 336, page # 524, item # 1 and then I used the arrow for
> the next 3 pages and after that it began with loading image, the image
> loaded and then it vanished. I tried another film# 226689 and the same thing
> occured.
>
> Am I doing something wrong?
>
> Thanks,
> Alicia

Hi Alicia,

I haven't had that problem, but can you tell where Santa Maria De Los Angles, Jalisco films can be found online? I have viewed all of the towns for Jalisco, but did not find a listing for S.M. de Los Angeles?

I have a print out for a Jose Trinidad Corvera Gonzalez bapt. 21 Nov 1846 from the above noted parish...Batch C611043 Film # 1158275, and I wanted to view the actual document in hopes that it mentioned the AP and AM.

It's wonderful having the capability to view many of these films online...especially for those of us that have limited access to a Family History Center.

Thank you,
Pat Silva Corbera

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alicia Carrillo"
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2011 9:31:55 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Still Trouble with Family Search

Help!!

I'm still having issues with Family Search. I'm accessing it the way I've always accesed it to the state of Zacatecas. I was looking at film # 226688, bautismos de

Esas imágenes si están bajo Mexico, Catholic Church Records

Para todas las ciudades del estado es esta dirección
https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A%2F%2Fapi.fa…

Para la ciudad de Aguascalientes es esta dirección
https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A%2F%2Fapi.fa…

Saludos
Armando

On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 12:11 PM, wrote:

> Los molesto nuevamente, con la liga de la parroquia Aguascalientes.
> saludos

Hola Claudia, fui a ver esta p[agina y me aparece en blanco también ya la reporté a Family search.

Jorge Elias
Miami, FL

https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.family…

Sergio Gutierrez

i contacted family search and they said you need to change the browser to google chrome or mozilla

Robert,
I've been having the same type of problems, you think you've gone to the next page and the screen goes blank and microsoft has a message saying problems with family search, not responding.

Alicia
San Jose, ca
From: "ROHernandez@safrdig.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2011 12:07 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Anyone having problems with/or unable to browse images for Jalisco's churches at FamilySearch.org?

I've been trying to browse images for Jalisco churches, but I'm only getting a "blank" page with a FamilySearch.org heading/Index.  Is the site under maintenance?

Thanks,
Roberto Hdez

Roberto

It's back up and running. I noticed a lot of new record collections (US civil war files) were posted today; that might be the cause of the problem.

On a related issue, I sometimes get the "image unavailable" message. If I wait a few moments, or try to access the record from a different starting point (back arrow vs forward arrow) it usually comes up.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

josecarlos1944@hotmail.com wrote:
> I clicked on Films for Colotlan, Jalisco baptism records for 1859 and
THREE consecutive times I was redirected to either the Family Search
Pilot search or Joseph Puentes' member files! What's going on???

The reason you went to my page is because you clicked link under the
heading "Borrower" (which was me in that case). You should click on
"IGI" link under the heading "Indicies" and if you're not wanting the
newer version then you can scroll down to the bottom of the page and
click on the "Use the previous version of FamilySearch.org" link and
then go to "search records" and then to the "IGI" option on the left
side of the page and then manually enter your batch number and surname
you seek

joseph

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My mother's family were from Aguascalientes and (the valley of Huejucar). This area I learned was made up of not only Calvillo, but also other places like Tabasco, Jalpa and other nearby towns. The people who began populating this area heavily in the mid 1700s came from all over the area, most notably: Aguascalientes, Nochistlan, Teocaltiche, Juchipila, Villanueva, Tlatenango, El Tuel, Moyahua, etc. This area is so sticky there is bound to be trial and error.

What lines do you have? We may be related.

Regards,

Daniel Méndez Camino

Dear Deedra,
In some cases records were lost, others may have not been filmed, yet a great number may simply be misplaced, or located in the original parish, which may not be the same as the church you are looking for. For instance, records for a particular town, may have been held originally in a larger town, up until the time when the local congregation was large enough to justify a new parish. In order for the members of NR to provide you with more help, please give the specifics of the towns and timeframe that you are looking for. There is always the possibility that someone may have encountered (and solved) the same problem.

Sincerely

Jaime Alvarado

La partida dice:

En la Pila Baptismal de este pueblo de Xalostotitlan en diez y nueve de septiembre de mil setecientos seis años baptize y puse los santos oleos a Patricio mulato esclavo hijo de Marcela Tavera esclava de Bernardo Hernandez de Rueda. Fue su madrina Gertrudis de Rueda, doncella española hija de Alonso Hernandez de Rueda y de Catarina Ramirez de Mendoza en la estancia de abajo a quienes adverti la obligación espiritual

Por lo tanto el bautizado fue llamado Patricio, nacio en la Estancia de Abajo hijo de Marcela Tavera que es esclava de Bernardo Hdz de Rueda (no dice el padre). La madrina fue una doncella española. Fue bautizado en Xalostotitlan el 19 de septiembre de 1706 años.

SALUDOS.

Chema

I too have reported several errors in the titles, such as when it says "Bautismos 1700-1750" when it should say 1700-1780 or something like that. They respond that they will advise their "engineers" of the error.

However, the loss of the better indexing there was on Pilot and IGI is difficult to accept, and that they cannot or will not address.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: gpf13@aol.com
> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 20:42:05 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Some Feedback from Family Search
>
> I recently report an error with the title of a Guanajuato digitized film, and received a very nice reply:
>
> From: Support
> To: gpf13
> Subject: Mexico, Guanajuato, Catholic Church Records, 1576-1984: error in source listing
> Date: Tue, Aug 23, 2011 11:44 am
>
> Dear George Fulton,
>
> Thank you for contacting FamilySearch to report incorrect dates given for our
> collection , Mexico, Guanajuato, Catholic Church Records, 1576-1984, San

Hola Javier.

Los films ya estan en linea y son los primeros seis.
https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.family…

Armando

2011/8/23

> Los films de bautismos de Teocalitiche han sido de mucho ayuda. ¿Es posible
> poder añadir los films de bautismos empezando con el año 1639 hasta el año
> 1774? Yo no tenía la esperanza de llegar tan atras en el pasado. Pero ya que
> estoy allí, quisiera continuar. Verdaderamente agradezco mucho que estos
> films estan aqui para nuestro uso. He logrado bastante con la ayuda de
> Nuestros Ranchos.
>
> ¡Gracias Nuestros Ranchos!
>
> Sinceramente,
>
> Javier Romero

Linda,

Lamentably they did away with the Pilot program on August 23rd. You can still get into the old Family Search IGI, but you may have to refresh your browser for it to open up.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: longsjourney@yahoo.com
> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 16:49:53 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Zacatecas pilot program
>
>
> I haven't research in Zacatecas for abt 3 weeks and found today I could not get into the online pilot program. Has the site changed address's? Is there a new way to get into it or is it gone??? I had no trouble accessing Jalisco.
> any help appreciated
> Linda in California for 2 weeks

Hello Linda,

Is this what you are looking for?
https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A%2F%2Fapi.fa…

Armando

On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 6:49 PM, wrote:

>
> I haven't research in Zacatecas for abt 3 weeks and found today I could not
> get into the online pilot program. Has the site changed address's? Is
> there a new way to get into it or is it gone??? I had no trouble accessing
> Jalisco.
> any help appreciated
> Linda in California for 2 weeks

I found Zacatecas just now, Linda, in Familysearch.org. But it is not the
"pilot" program, which as you know was going away.

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of
longsjourney@yahoo.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 4:50 PM
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Zacatecas pilot program

I haven't research in Zacatecas for abt 3 weeks and found today I could not
get into the online pilot program. Has the site changed address's? Is
there a new way to get into it or is it gone??? I had no trouble accessing
Jalisco.
any help appreciated
Linda in California for 2 weeks