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NuestrosRanchos Website - High-Traffic

All,

As one of several administrators of this NuestrosRanchos website, I recently began summarizing stats of how often this website is accessed.  

Daily member logins are only a small portion of how often this site is visited and utilized.  NuestrosRanchos is considered a high-traffic website.

The large number of website visits ( shared below) are a tribute to those original members that founded this site back in 2003. 

The founding members obviously recoqnized the value and need for sharing historical and genealogical information related to Jalisco and adjacent regions. As a result the NuestrosRanchos website is considered very popular. This is accomplised without ads or monthly user fees, which makes this even more impressive.  Even though our registered member base is considered modest (1,750 members), I personally appreciate the efforts of all of our members, and the discussions and input that has been shared over the last 23 years. 

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NuestrosRanchos Server issues

All,

Over the past week or so, the NuestrosRanchos server has been experiencing unexpected performance issues, including unexpected server shutdowns. The issue has been tracked to hardware issues with the Virtual Private Server (VPS) vendor.  The vendor has just moved this server to another area of their system, which should eliminate the recent performance problems. Our admin staff will continue to monitor the system to ensure the performance issues have been resolved.  

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Miembro Nuevo

¡Saludos a todos! Me llamo Jonathan Mendoza y soy servidor de todos ustedes me apasiona la búsqueda de los antepasados personalmente mi meta es descubrir mi pasado judio sefardi y saber de que parte de españa vinieron mis antepasados de apellido ruiz de los cobos 

He llegado hasta este punto a base de documentos y de la ayuda que me han brindado unos buenos familiares y amigos mios que menciono por nombre (Jesus Mendoza y Aaron Mendoza) ellos y su servidor tenemos los mismos antepasados en comun sigo en la búsqueda de mas documentos que revelen otros detalles aunque se ha vuelto mas difícil entre mas retrocedo en el tiempo 

En cualquier caso sigo adelante y si en algo puedo ayudarles con todo gusto lo haré muchas gracias por haberme aceptado 

https://www.nuestrosranchos.org/JonathanMendoza1998

 

RA Ricci

Does anyone have Rick Ricci's current email address?

Joseph Puentes 

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Hello Joseph,

I sent you an email message with my new email, and an explanation of the issues with the old email.   Please read it and contact me when you can.

Rick A. Ricci

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Hello Joseph,

I sent you an email message with my new email, and an explanation of the issues with the old email.   Please read it and contact me when you can.

Rick A. Ricci

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Hello everyone,

My name is Edward Rojano, a new member and I wanted to introduce myself.

I started researching my family tree just a few years ago, specifically my direct paternal lineage from Jalisco. I didn’t really know much of our family history past my great grandfather. So I started with my grandfather, gathering names of parents and grandparents from birth, marriage and death registrations on Family Tree. Slowly, my family tree started coming together and as you can see below, I belong to the Cornejo family from Jalostotitlan, in the Los Altos region of what is now Jalisco.

Lately, I have been researching and trying to obtain more information on Antonio Cornejo Riojano, born in 1658 as per Dr. Mariano González-Leal in tomo III of Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia. I have been unable to find documents which definitively name and show Alonso Cornejo as his father, as is believed. Also, I have been trying to find the source his Riojano surname that was often used along with

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Rick, Edward's no. 12 is my 8th great-grandfather :) Btw, what is the source for saying he was born in Chalco? 

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Saludos Edward y Leonardo,

Saludos Leonardo y Edward,


After reading the nobilario, I had more questions in my mind that led me back to Leonardo’s and Edward’s questions regarding the Osorio ancestry, so I went back to my notes and did more research.   I had originally told Edward that I believed that the Rojano/Riojano surname came from a “de Rojas” ancestry in our Osorio line.  But when I went back to look at out ancestral line with Maria Fernandez de Villalobos as Pedro Alvarez de Osorio’s wife I couldn’t find the Rojas line.   Then Leonardo questioned the ancestry.  Those thoughts were lingering as a cloud as I read the nobilario.  So yes the line starts with Juan Alvarez Osorio and his wife Aldonza de Guzman, but the nobilario doesn’t mention the wives names of Pedro Alvarez Osorio and Alvar Perez Osorio.   So I did more research which is hard on this family because there were so many Rodrigo, Alvaro, and Pedro Osorios in the family.  And it turns out that I needed to merge some of

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Hello Edward,


Martin Lopez Osorio’s family tree goes much farther in records according to an old book I read many years ago.  The book states the the lineage can be found in another book that is at the Smithsonian Library.   One day I will make it out there and look for that book.  

You and I are fifth cousins.  

Rick A. Ricci

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Hello Rick Ricci, fifth cousins that’s so cool, thanks so much for reaching out. I had previously read information you had posted when I had been looking into Carlos Lomelín and the Lomellini family, thank you for all that.

Yes, with Martin Lopez Osorio, I was able to trace him back to the Osorio family with the help of a book I purchased titled, El Nobilario de Martín López Osorio by Dr. Clevy Lloyd Strout 1980 and also from a publication titled Los Osorio: Un Linaje de más de Mil Años al Servicio de La Corona by medieval genealogist and historian Jaime Salazar y Acha, as well as another book I found on the Osorio family that I can’t remember right now. Below is what I was able to gather from my direct paternal lineage. I will upload some of the items in my folder here if that helps. I am still trying to figure out the website. Thank you.

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14. Martín Lopez Osorio (also known as Lope de Osorio) Conquistador de la Nueva España: born about 1493 in Sevilla, Spain; died

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Hello Edward,


Thank you for the information.   I have done much work on the Osorio family and I was hoping to make the connection to the Cornejo lineage by going to Washington DC to get that information that you sent me.   I would like to get a hold of El Nobilario de Martín López Osorio by Dr. Clevy Lloyd Strout 1980 and the article you mentioned.   Do you know where I can get my hands on them?


I also descend from the Osorio family through my Reynoso ancestry.

Thanks,

Rick A. Ricci,     

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Hi Rick,

Of course, thank you! That’s so cool, it is such an interesting history that of the Osorio family and their role in the history of León, the reconquista and the arrival to what is now Mexico. I feel like we are just starting to scratch the surface.

Yes, the Osorio article by Jaime Salazar y Acha I have uploaded the PDF in my folder here along with a few other items.

In regard to the Nobilario, during my research, I just happened to come across the used book on AbeBooks earlier this year. I just searched and don’t see any for sale unfortunately. I don’t know if this was ever published. It appears to be an original final draft, as the book has corrections made by hand and whiteout on the pages. In the book he states the work consists of one single manuscript, which he cataloged in 1962 and I believe is still housed at the Thomas Gilcrease Institute of American History and Art in Tulsa, OK, that bears the number 106 in a catalog of Hispanic Documents at the Institute.

In the

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Hello Edward,

I have studied the Osorio family for many decades.   A big part of my research includes the Wife of #18) Pedro Alvarez Osorio, Maria Fernandez de Villalobos. Her ancestry includes the royal Houses of Europe (Spain, England, Germany, etc).   This line of ancestry includes Saint Matilda (Mathilde) of Ringleheim.  I will include her in a book that I am writing for my daughter of my ancestors and ancestors siblings that have been canonized as saints.  King Pedro sent the order to kill Pedro Alvarez Osorio, so he killed the husband of his not to distant cousin Maria Fernandez de Villalobos.  Her close relationship to the king is documented.

Thank you so much for this information.  I believe a copy of this “Nobilario” is the book housed in Washington DC. I no longer have to go to Washington DC to track down this information.  Over many years, I kept repeating to myself that “next year I will go to Washington DC and find the Osorio lineage of my Cornejo line.”  But something has

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Hello Rick,

Thanks so much for the info, that is so interesting. Oh wow, so you have pretty extensive knowledge of the Osorio family! The medieval period in Spanish history is so fascinating. To me, that period and its continuation into what is now Mexico and the meeting of the new world and old is very interesting.  Especially now, knowing our ancestors played a part in all of that. That is a great idea about leaving a book for your daughter. As I have been learning of my family history the last few years, I have thought about taking all my findings and compiling it for my children so they can learn and know all of this.

I am glad I could help with the Nobiliario of Martín López. I know how that goes, I’ve been wanting to go to Mexico City to get to know the city and see some of the historical sites, but same as with you, something comes up haha.

Thank you for that info about the Riojano/Cornejo surname. Who is it that married into the de Rojas family and where did they come from? I am

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Saludos Edward,

I saw that someone had already added the Osorio lineage to the Cornejo line on familysearch.  I haven’t checked it all out yet but I did find one common mistake.  Many genealogists have mistaken two cousins with the same name and the same title.    I am sending you an explanation of the mistake and the right lineage.   

Giron to Fernandez de Villalobos

I. Gonzalo Rodríguez Girón (b. 1160) de Fernando III recibe el señorío de Autillo en 1221. Casó con Sancha Rodríguez

II. Gonzalo González Girón, canciller mayor de Fernando III. Casó con Teresa Arias Quesada, hija de Arias González de Quesada y de María Froilaz.

III. Berenguela González Girón, señora de Autillo, quien casó con Lope Ruiz de Haro, el chico, II señor de La Guardia y de Bailén, hijo de Lope Díaz de Haro III, señor de Vizcaya y de Urraca de León.

IV. María Díaz de Haro, señora de Autillo, casó con Ruy Gil de Villalobos, señor de Villalobos.

[Aquí es donde seguimos dos líneas. Ruy Gil De Villalobos y María Diaz De

Thank You Lee! ! !

When everything is working right it is soooo easy to take the website for granted. But just let some little thing go wrong and suddenly those of us that appreciate the site for what it is are quickly brought back to reality. I guess what I'm trying to say is that one individual in the group is mainly responsible for keeping the sight humming along so nicely, Lee Ingram. Lee has donated countless (well I'm sure he could count them) hours to revive and act as the keeper of the NuestrosRanchos.org website. I so much appreciate you and your efforts Lee and saying THANK YOU doesn't feel like enough, but here goes anyway THANK YOU.

Joseph Puentes

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Thanks for the kind words Joseph!   There is so much info that has been contributed to this site by the membership for over 22 years now!  I am a little bit selfish in wanting to keep the site running, so others can enjoy it (and learn) as much as I do. There are some excellent researchers that participate via this site; and I am always grateful to contribute where I can. 

 

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Hello I'm a new member. My family is from Zacatecas Mexico. I'm am looking for information on my paternal line. Juan Estrada was born in 1831 to Luisa Ramíres. His father is unknown and he died in Zacatecas Mexico on May 8th, 1863. I was just wondering were the Estrada last name came from because I thought at that time children took the mother's last name. So I am just a little confused about where the Estrada last name came from. 

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Could not find a marriage record for Juan Estrada and Francisca Hernandes, but did find at least 4 children of theirs.

Mariano Estrada, Simona Estrada, Maria Matilde Estrada, and Claro Estrada.   Of these 4 children only Claro Estrada's baptism record was found. This record not only provided the names of his parents, Juan Estrada and Francisca Hernandes, but the names of his paternal/maternal grand-parents. In this record Juan's father was listed as Mariano Estrada and his mother as Luisa Reyes [Surname Ramires was stated in the death record]. Francisca's father was noted as Marcelino Hernandes and mother was Apolonia Medina (Surname in other records noted as Almansa).  The link for Claro's baptism record is listed below. 

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939J-4KS6-L?cc=1804458

Now that we know who the parents of Juan Estrada are, we begin looking for links for Mariano Estrada and wife Luisa Reyes/Ramires

Luckily one baptism record was found for Maria Epifania del Refugio Estrada

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First of all welcome to the site!  The information you provided leaves very little to go on, but I will try to see if the Juan Estrada you have mentioned is from your family branch. My initial curiosity was in looking for any Juchipila "Estrada" family connections, which it does not appear there are any. 

The only Juan Estrada that died on 8 May 1863 in Zacatecas, Mexico is of Guadalupe, Zacatecas, Mexico, listed in Civil Records (See Link below). Juan Estrada was listed as a bricklayer, 32 years old, and it was stated within the death record that he was originally from San Joseph de Yslas, which is now Genaro Codina (Zacatecas). I believe early records are also found for this general area in Ojo Caliente (Zacatecas), Panuco (Zacatecas), and Calera Victor Rosales (Zacatecas).  Nearly all of these locations have incomplete genealogy records, so gathering information can be tough.  The death record also mentioned that Juan Estrada left a widow in Francisca Hernandes(z). The officials

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Hey, My name is Abel Sandoval 

My dad was born in San Blas, Nayarit and his parents were Maria Martinez Llamas born in Union de Tula in est1928, Jalisco and Alberto Sandoval Ramirez I think born in Zacatecas in est1938.

I found my dads baptism paper with his grandparents and parents names:

Los papas de Alberto Sandoval Ramirez fueron Maximiliano Sandoval(creo Sandoval Tovar) y Socorro Ramirez(creo Maria de Socorro Ramirez Ramirez)creo que los dos fueron de Zacatecas. Im not sure how many kids they had but i found a record of a Julia Sandoval that was died shorlty after she was born in Feb 17 1943

Los papas de Maria Martinez Llamas fueron Zeferino Martinez(Martinez Ruiz) y Antonia Llamas(Llamas Arias) los doz fueron de Union de Tula, Jalisco.  They had 11 kids all are deceased. 

Maria Martinez Llamas we think had a family in Jalisco from what people told my dad and ran off with my grandpa. My grandmother got sick after she gave birth to my dad in Nov 18 1966 and went back to Union de Tula

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I did some more looking and found what I believe to be my grandmother Maria Martinez's baptism. She was born in las Palmas, Jalisco.

I also found my Great grandfathers baptism record. He was born in El rancho de los Tovares, Tepechitlan, Zacatecas. I'm not sure where that is since I believe the name has changed to something else.

and I found birth records of my grandfathers sister Abelina Sandoval born 2 Nov 1935 altamira, Tepechitlan, Zacatecas, Mexico. Not sure if she is still alive or not but im getting closer.

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Hola! My name is Jenn Ames and my paternal grandfather, Manuel Amezcua, was born in 1906 in Guadalajara, Mexico. I grew up quite close to my grandparents, however I never knew much about his side of the family or why he left Mexico when he did in 1926 and came to NY. I have been digging into the history of Mexico, primarily Jalisco, and researching every family member and associate I come across. Here is a little piece of what I've collected:

Grandfather - Manuel Amezcua (changed to Ames after coming to the US but not until the 1940s) born 29 Oct 1906

Great-grandmother - Maria Concepcion Amezcua born 6 Feb 1879 in Tala, Jalisco to Ambrosio Amezcua and Maria Eligia Ocampo. She married Porfirio Orozco (born 16 Sept 1868 in Zapopan, Jalisco) in June 1896, and they had 4 children together. Only 2 survived to adulthood and I have family pictures of "Tio Pablo" and "Tia Ana". Porfirio died in Feb 1905 in Guadalajara and their youngest daughter died the following month in Zapopan. I'm not sure

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The Ocampo surname would typically be the Mother's maiden name....but his mother's maiden name is Amezcua.... I have not seen a record where the Ocampo is used as part of his name.

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I wrote to the the person editing Manuel Padilla Francos to ask if he knew about Manuel Amezcua..... and the 3 Manuel Padillas....... we'll see if he responds.  

Below is what I mentioned and asked:

"GuadalupePadilla Gutierrez:

I suspect that his Manuel Padilla Franco born in 1883 died young because the parents had another Manuel Padilla Franco born in 1887.   Also there is Manuel Padilla that had a child named Manuel Amezcua---- is that his son?    See here:    

Manuel Padilla Franco  Male 17 December 1883 – Deceased G7YN-PX9

Manuel Padilla Franco (1887–Deceased) • Person • Family Tree

and....  Manuel Padilla  Male  Deceased  P9M2-GL5     are these all the same person?  son todos estos la misma persona?"

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He’s a member of the Jalisco Genealogy Facebook group and I had posted about my grandfather there. He does have the Padilla surname but I don’t want to just add people without doing the research. I don’t really like that he took my family picture and posted it for someone that I’m unsure is the right person…I haven’t been bold enough to approach the subject though! 

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That is my picture of my great-grandfather, but it has been uploaded from a Jalisco Facebook group where I posted it originally and not by me! I would have to do much more research on this person before I could say that it was for sure the Manuel Padilla I'm searching for. I don't want to have to correct mistakes later on. 

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Well....there is a whole tree here but you don't mention (or I missed) some part of the tree.....  https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/pedigree/landscape/9V9G-FRW

Was Manuel Padilla the actual father of Manuel Amezcua?  The birth registration states that she had been widowed from Porfirio Orozco for 2 years at time of Manuel Amezcua birth.....  and does NOT list a father for Manuel Amezcua.  

In the family tree somebody has placed under Manuel Padilla as his son?  Is this correct?  Did she ever marry Manuel Padilla?  If so we can go look for that document.

 

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Yes, Manuel Padilla is the biological father of Manuel Amezcua. Porfioro Orozco died in February 1905 and my grandfather was born Oct 1906. In many places I'm finding people (myself included in the past) have linked Porfirio as his father because Ma Concepcion was married to him just prior to my grandfather's birth. Neither his birth registration nor baptismal record list a father. I have not found any marriage records with Ma Concepcion and Manuel Padilla, but from reading about the area at that time this is not uncommon. There were many unwed or widowed women in the area raising families on their own. 

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Welcome to Nuestros Ranchos Jenn!


That's unfortunate you know so little about your paternal great grandfather, Manuel Padilla. He sounds like an interesting person. Your grandfather Manuel's baptismal record mentions he was born out of wedlock (hijo natural) and makes no mention of his father. The same goes for his birth record which also makes no mention of his father. If you haven't already done so, consider using DNA matches to help you in your search for Manuel Padilla and his ancestors.

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I have actually slowly been combing through DNA matches on different sites. I build out family trees if they have one that I can add on to, but many people haven't started one yet and reaching hasn't gotten me any replies! It's so frustrating. I will not stop digging though!

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Hello, I'm Valerie Cefre, maiden name Garcia (y Guzman), and I'm very excited to join such an incredible group of people dedicated to chronicling the past for our future generations to enjoy! My mother was born in Zacatecas and my father was born in southern California and for most of my life, that's all I really knew about either side of my extended family. Both my parents had difficult childhoods which meant that they generally avoided taking about the past. It wasn't until my paternal grandmother was in her last days that my extended family (her in-laws) came to visit, from Texas! I was surprised to see my great uncles in Wrangler jeans, boots, and cowboy hats. My dad casually said that his father's side was from Corpus Christi as if it were common knowledge. Years later, my husband wanted to work on his family tree and I decided to do my side along with him but I didn't expect to find much since my mother was born in Nochistlán and my dad's maternal side came from Nuevo León. I was

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....since its free to use and to populate family trees there a a lot of folks that use it.... you may be able to see more info there.  Here is the page of your family tree.... there are a bunch of potential updates pending.....  and, yep, somebody has done a lot of populating:  https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/MVYY-WZP