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Thank you so much. I am estatic someone else is also doing Pinos.
Sylvia Rodriguez Robles MPA
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Sylvia Rodriguez Robles MPA
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Alice,
I feel the same way as you do. We have 3 children all of which married Anglo-Americans. My greatest desire was to have brown grandbabies so as not to lose our heritage. I would love them all and do love them regardless of their color or parentage. But I too have a problem with wanting to be only European.
I think Joseph mentioned in one of his previous comments that he will stop people just to ask them what part of Mexico they are from. My husband and I do the same thing, in a restaurant, the gardeners, our cleaning ladies or a new company employee with a spanish surname.
As I grow older I become more Mexicana not less. As I grow older I go back to who I've always been with the sense and security that comes with love and acceptance of who you are. In my younger self I wanted to fit in and be like everyone else even if it meant separating from my roots. Now I'm not willing or able to give that up. Here in California there's a new radio station called La Preciosa. It has
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Joseph,
Would you be willing to share the results of your DNA test with the group? I'd like to know whether you felt it was worth the money and trouble.
Also, I haven't heard anybody out their brag about their dark or short relatives. The more I learn about Mexican history, the more I value Indian characteristics and view them as attractive. The study of my family's genealogy has made me love and respect all my relatives equally, regardless of whether they turned out European, Indian, black, or Asian looking. In fact, the variety in their appearance serves to remind me just how mixed a race we are.
I hope there are others who feel the same way.
Alicia
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Sylvia,
welcome to the group. . .look don't let me bother you too much about the deadline. If April 15 approaches and you are not ready just email me directly (makas@...) let me know you are not ready and how much more time you'll need and you will be "spared" the savageness of my axe swing. I
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Sylvia, If you need, in posting your information, or in organizing. Just let the group know. Because, I am sure that there are many of us who can help you out. If you ancestors are from the Pinos, Zacatecas area. I would suggest, getting in touch with Rosario Ellis (she is a member of the group). I know that she has been doing research in the Pinos area. Thanks, Jonathan
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I in short am on the "bad girl" list for not yet posting my GEDOM Data as of yet. I just lost my mother in law and have been fighting one virus after another including, healing up my badly sprained ankle. This is my #3 attempt to use this thing right! I am descended from grandparents from Teocaltihe, Jalisco and Pinos, Zacactecas. I have travelled to both towns and collected substantial data and books from region. I have oral tradition of Judio customs from Zacatecas side whose journey to Merida, Yucatan was from Egypt. The family owned several cattle ranches, a hacienda in Pinos and meat markets throughout Jalisco, Aguacalientes and Zacatecas. The Los Altos, side which are in fact tall, 6 to 6'4" were artisans of leather.
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Gobernantes de Nueva Galicia y de Jalisco, 1531-1980 / Juan López 1979 Spanish Book 108 p. : ports ; 21 x 28 cm. Guadalajara, Jalisco : [s.n.], Get This Item
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Title: Gobernantes de Nueva Galicia y de Jalisco, 1531-1980 / Author(s): López, Juan. Publication: Guadalajara, Jalisco : [s.n.], Year: 1979 Description: 108 p. : ports ; 21 x 28 cm. Language: Spanish SUBJECT(S) Descriptor: Governors -- Mexico -- Jalisco -- Biography. Colonial administrators -- Mexico -- Biography. Note(s): "Esta edición ... consta de 100 ejemplares."--p. 5. Class Descriptors: LC: F1296 Responsibility: [Juan López]. Material Type: Biography (bio) Document Type: Book Entry: 19870306 Update: 19991208 Accession No: OCLC: 15278517 Database: WorldCat
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In a message dated 10/12/2004 03:58:55 p.m. Pacific Standard Time, aduarte@... writes:
I would be happy to share, but...could you please be more specific regarding names and dates.I have lots of data from all over Los Altos.
And like I had previously mentioned, there is no tangible evidence indicating that there were any French (which they really weren't) in Los Altos. They're just pure "Espan~oles."
By the way, I passed through Pegueros when I was down there last summer. I was staying in Capilla de Guadalupe and went to San Juan de los Lagos. The camion first went to Tepa, then from there it passed through Pegueros on its way to Jalos and then San Juan de los Lagos. Looked like a really nice little Pueblo
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My trip to Los Altos in 1993 was very much like yours (Mexico Jalisco, Los Altos-Tepetitlan, Pegueros) in that I found most of the people from that region very fair. My wife's family is from Pegueros/Tapitatlan, Jalisco. And of course, I stood out since I'm a moreno just like my late grandmother from Zacatecas, Zacatecas. The people from Tepatitlan and Pegueros were very cordial, nice, and accommodating, to me and my wife, and my children. Her uncle claimed their fairness can be attributed to the French influence left by the French back in the 1860s. But I corrected him on this. Most of the French troops in Mexico were not French but Germans (Hessians) that were hire by Napoleon to fight the Mexicans. I found no German or French names in either of the two towns. If any of group has information on any my wife's family names, Gutierrez, Padilla, Gonzalez, Casillas, from Los Altos, will you please share it. Thank you. Alberto Duarte Prieto. -----Original Message----- From
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Thanks Steven for this light you bring about Los Altos. My first visit to Los Altos was to Atotonilco in 1980 and I was surprised of many relatives on my Mom's side with blue and green eyes and blonde hair. Mostly the Abarcas. I was clear to me that the surname was spanish, but I was misled as this was mostly of French inheritance and I believed that for a long time. Recente research and conversations with some Abarcas and Valles living here in Los Angeles made me realize that the region was mostly inhabited by spanish people, and some indios and mestizos, of course. But nothing about French presence during Maximiliano's empire in Mexico in the 1860's. I recently had a conversation with my uncle Eliseo Valle (he is 95 years old) and lives in Whittier. He told me, and correct me if this is incorrect, that some Hacienda owners in Jalisco were attacked by the French and they moved to the Highlands running away from them and established in the region at that time (1860's). Looks like
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As a long time researcher of Los Altos genealogy, I can honestly say that in reality the majority of the population of Los Altos is really of old Spanish extraction, with the lingering possibility that they were crypto-Jews, hiding the secret all the while. I simply have never seen any evidence of Judios in alteno records. Now there were lots of indios, mestizos, mulatos (libres y esclavos), coyotes, lobos, and the usual assortment of castas.
Of the various example of actual Jewish lineage is that of the Ha-Levi family of Burgos, whose lineage later became part of the Cadena, later Zaldivar and On~ate lineages of Zacatecas, Nochistlan. Another is that of Mariana de Vera y Medina, wife of Conquistador
Gaspar de la Mota y Mena, and later poblador of Nueva Galicia around Guadalajara, Jalisco. Don~a Mariana was the daughter of Don Juan de Vera, a known Judio converso who later became a Catholic. Don Juan de Vera, was, if I remember correctly, a member of the Audiencia. Based
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Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the ranchos group. File : /Rosario Ellis/Adan Blanco Esquivel.rtf Uploaded by : rosarioellisDescription : Zacatecas,Durango You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ranchos/files/Rosario%20Ellis/Adan%20Blanco%20Esquivel.rtf To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, rosarioellis
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sounds really interesting. If you get it please send us the table of
contents as a scan. would love to read something like this for the
Colotlan/Santa Maria de Los Angeles area. Thanks for bringing up the
subject. . . .hopefully others will have books they would like to
recommend for their specific geographic area of study within our group
target area. You never know but as different ones bring up their
favorite books it might inspire someone to dig deeper into their history
or provoke a New Years Resolution to study areas that have been neglected.
thanks, joseph readysetgo95814 wrote:
I found this book listed in libroslatinos.com; has anyone read it?EL ORIGEN DE LA POBLACION ALTEÑA by Hernández, Silviano.
Description: On the origins of the population of Los Altos de
Jalisco with much on its Sephardic and Crypto-Jewish (as well as
French) origins.
Publisher: Guadalajara, Secretaría de Cultura Jalisco (Voz de la
Tierra), 2003
Book Condition: 80p., bibl., wrps Price
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I found this book listed in libroslatinos.com; has anyone read it? EL ORIGEN DE LA POBLACION ALTEÑA by Hernández, Silviano. Description: On the origins of the population of Los Altos de Jalisco with much on its Sephardic and Crypto-Jewish (as well as French) origins. Publisher: Guadalajara, Secretaría de Cultura Jalisco (Voz de la Tierra), 2003 Book Condition: 80p., bibl., wrps Price: 20.00 BookID: 91944 Comments? Maria
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Hi group!
I just wanted to say that I think Joseph's suggestions are great ones-- I wish I had recorded my grandpa before he passed, and my grandma before she started to forget the details of her childhood. I just wanted to add to not take everything that is stated on faith, but do keep track (write down) the stories-- but verification helps. For example, about 12 years ago I asked my grandma about her siblings and their spouses. She was helpful for most, but when I asked her about a particular sister, she just said, "Oh... I think her husband's name is Daniel. She had three or four kids." I wrote this down, and when I asked my father, he knew nothing more than what she said. However, just last year I visited my dad's first cousin, who is about ten years older than my father. When I asked her about this tia's husband, she said, "Yes, she's had four kids, but what makes you think she married anybody?" When I told her what my grandma said, she laughed. I then realized that my
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Well as usual I kind of went nuts on something. I'm not suppose to be
doing this but studying for an exam coming up a week from this coming
monday, but I took a break from the books and was sort of absorbed by
this mini project.
I so often find that that I get a big time blessing when I set out to
send the group stuff and find non group related but definetly related to
me gold nuggets of information. I'm going to have to go and see how I
can get some of those books and tapes to listen to. Of course most
library's don't ILL non book items but where theres a will theres a way.
joseph ================================= Your family history :
how to use oral history, personal family archives, and public documents
to discover your heritage /
Allan J Lichtman 1978 1st ed. English Book ix, 205 p. ; 21 cm. New York : Vintage Books, ; ISBN: 0394723325 Get This Item
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Just some of thoughts to keep in mind when interviewing relatives or
people that knew your relatives:
1) if you can ask if its okay to interview the discussion on cassette
tape. Don't make a big deal about this as some people tend to freeze up
if you stick a microphone in their face. Rather get a high quality mike
and set it between you and your relative turn it on and forget about it.
If you get resistance emphasis how important their words are for the
future generations and how it wouldn't be right to deny her/his great
great great great grandchildren the privledge of hearing their voice.
2) if you do telephone interviews then go to Radio Shack and buy a
telephone line recording system (less than $50) that lets you plug into
your phone line and tape from any phone in the house. Still ask
permission to record.
3) if you seemed to get a good session with no problems with a cassette
recorder ask if it would be okay to do video camera. I personally don't
think a
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Now, this is AWESOME!!! This is what is
called in genealogy "a serendipitous moment." Honest! There are many such moments in genealogy. Hank Jones (aka Henry Jones) has published many books about these moments. Marge V:)
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I think it should be stricter. The intent of this board is clear. It is meant for serious genealogists who are actively doing their own research. The messages are open to the public so that those who want to wait until they are ready to join can still read the messages posted without feeling pressured to become members. Steven H.
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A number of years of ago, in the midst of working on a business plan; I opted to work for a temporary employment agency to have some cash flowing in. One sunny Friday morning, I received a call for an assignment; I was advised that it would be in the immediate area.
However, late in the day, I was notified that the assignment would be in the middle of the most heavily traveled corridor, my first thought was to gracefully decline, but on second thought, I knew it was best to honor my commitment.
In th following weeks, I would encounter a young, soft-spoken man, Manuel, who I would meet at the door as I was attempting to dash out in the evening to get that two minute lead on traffic, and thus get to the gym, then home to work on my project. Our conversations were always short, and went something like this:
Manuel: In a few days I will be going to Cuidad Obregon, Sonora, to bring my parents to San Jose for a little vacation.
Helyn: My mother had a half sister, that she never met
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That is a great idea. It also helps if you give them the questions ahead of time. It gives them time to think about it and you get better information. Make sure you have a good video camera and a good mic. Good sound is key. You may also want to give them old pictures so as to help them remember. I have found that my mother feels most confortable talking about the family history is about the table when she is making tamales. good luck. --- Pacorro73@... wrote: > In all honesty, recording Oral History is a truly > beautiful gift we can give > our future descendants. Not only is oral history a > significant aspect of > genealogy, but it is what recording family history > is all about. We need to > remember that the names that we see and research in > our files, were those of real > living breathing human beings too. Now that they > are no longer with us, we > must preserve their memory, and remember who they > were. > > Although I must admit I have not yet done this, I
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