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Hello. I am stuck with a branch of my genealogy and have a doubt 
that maybe some of you may answer. When you think that you found 
your earliest ancestor in Mexico, how do you start your research on 
that line on another country? The reason I am asking this is because 
I cannot find any information on the IGI about my Apodaca ancestors 
in Jalisco before 1784. I know that my ancestor Domingo Apodaca was 
a mestizo married that year and that his parents were Jose Maria 
Apodaca and Paula de Albiano. However, where should I look for info 
about the origin of the parents? Domingo's wife, Gertrudis Bonal, 
was a espanola and I can trace her ancestors back to the beginning 
of the 1700's in Tlajomulco, Jalisco. I know where to look for these 
ancestors. But for my Apodaca line, I just don't know what to do. I 
am planning to check all documents of Domingo's brothers and their 
children to see if I can find a clue about Jose Maria Apodaca and 
Paula de Albiano. Can anyone of you help me

Author 	  Vázquez y Rodríguez de Frías, José Luis.

Title Genealogía de Nochistlán antiguo reino de la Nueva Galicia en el
siglo XVII según sus archivos parroquiales / José Luis Vázquez y
Rodríguez de Frías.

Edition 	1. ed.
Publisher 	Ciudad Juárez, Mexico : Editorial El Labrador, [2001]
Description 	xx, 475 p. : ill. ; 29 cm.
Note 	Includes index.
Language 	Spanish
Subject 	 Vasquez family.
	 Rodriguez family.
	 Mexico -- Genealogy.
Format 	Book
Library 	  UC Berkeley   All
==========================================
Author 	  González-Leal, Mariano.

Title Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia : estudios histórica,
antropológico, genealógico y biográfico sobre la población española de
la zona oriental de la Nueva Galicia, desde su establecimiento en la
región hasta nuestros días / por Mariano González-Leal ; prólogo del
Baron de Covadonga.
Publisher [Guanajuato, México] : Universidad de Guanajuato, Centro de
Investigaciones Humanísticas, 1982 [i.e. 1983].

Description 	v.

welcome to the New Members. . .just as a word.

I have little control over the genealogies of the group other than
trusting in the integrity of the membership. That is the reason I insist
on keeping the genealogies in the non-public "files" area or if your
work is on a webpage in the non-public "links" area of the group. I
would discourage you from sending in your work as attachments to the
whole group as was recently the case. . .to do so is done at your own
risk since the archives are public.

Also for the sake of privacy I'd encourage you all to begin with your
grandparents (if they have deceased) and go back from them.

Also I've noticed that we have 71 members but only 60 members of the
Ranchos2 group.

so that means that 11 of you can't access the Ranchos2 "files" area. Try
this:

go to the ranchos "links" area.
go to the link called "Ranchos2"
click on it and see if it takes you to a link for the Ranchos2 files area
if it doesn't send an email to makas@... asking

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From: Deena Ortiz

To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com

Sent: 8/8/2004 8:42:30 PM

Subject: [ranchos] Re: Trip to Nochistlan

What would be the best way to travel to

 I for one would never drive it again but it was a good experience to do it once. If you need more detailed driving information I can look it up. The last two times we hired a driver at the airport in Guadalajara. He could make more money in one week as our driver than he could as a shuttle bus driver at the airport for two months. We rented a car and he drove us around to Nochistlan, Tlachichila and surrounding towns. It was great!!

W

Dear Ranchos Group,

I have finished my summer courses and have had time to
sit and sort through some of the information that my
mother brought back to me about a month ago.  She
visited one of her great aunts that still resides in
Sain Alto and obtained some useful information. 

I even got some pictures of my great grandmother
Marcela Castrejon, great aunt Maria Sierra that lived
in Moorpark, California, and my great grandfather,
Pablo Gonzalez Monsivais.  Words can not describe the
joy I felt to have these in my possession.  I can
really see so many features that have been passed on
to me and others in my extended family. I don't have a
scanner but will buy one soon and upload them into the
pictures section for all to see.

All the information is strictly word of mouth and
recollection on the part of my mother's great aunt and
other various relatives.  I plan to seek the documents
to back up the information.  In the meantime, I have
typed up the names of my relatives, some are

Deena,

Do you plan to drive? How long do you plan to travel?
  
I think the trip is somewhat long, but I am not too
sure. If you have never traveled to Mexico by way of
car, then I suggest you visit a AAA office if you are
a member.  

I obtained a book from them and it was very handy when
my husband and I went three years ago.  AAA also gave
us a detailed map of Mexico that I just gave to my
husband's cousin yesterday. He is going to Magdalena ,
Jalisco.  

I looked through the book I have, Mexico Travel Book,
2001 edition by AAA.  It has a map of the highways and
 approximate times between cities.  I calculated the
trip from San Diego to Zacatecas, the capital city, to
be roughly 34-36 hours long, depending on the route.
Depending on the border town you wish to go through. 
This is what the book tells me, however, I have never
traveled this route.

You can travel down the west coast of Mexico to
Mazatlan and cut across to Durango (Mazatlan to
Durango is about 5 and a half hrs) and

What would be the best way to travel to Nochistlan, Zacatecas, Mexico from
southern California?  Can you give me approximate distances and/or hours
involved in each leg of the trip?  I seriously hope to make the trip with my
husband in February/March, 2005, on our way to Oaxaca.

~Deena Ortiz~

thanks to Jonathan Walker:

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/7016/zacatecas/Address.htm#Index

The state capitol registrars for civil records are listed to assist you
with your research concerning certificates of birth, marriages, or death
of persons from the Republic of México. If the document that you
need is located in another town or village of the Mexican state in
question, you can try to obtain the address for the civil registrar in
the province by writing to one of the state capitols listed below.

To inquiry about a certificate of birth, marriage, or death in any of
the following listed states of the Republic of México, write in Spanish
to the appropriate civil registrar to ask about the fee for searching
your question and obtaining the document needed.

Index

Aguascalientes, Baja California Norte, Baja California Sur, Campeche,
Chiapas, Chihuahua, Coahuila, Colima, Distrito Federal, Durango,
Estado de México, Guanajuato, Guerrero, Hidalgo

This will do for now. I'll look into it. Thanks for your assistance.
 I'll be in touch!!!

Guillermo.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Jonathan Walker"  
wrote:
> Guillermo,
> 
>  
> 
> You mentioned in a earlier message that your ancestors came form the
> following areas:
> 
>  
> 
> They are mostly from the area of San Jos de Gracia, Atotonilco el 
> Alto, Ocotln, Arandas and the ranchos of Ortiguilla, Ojo de Agua de 
> Latillas, La Muralla, Barranquilla and El Salvador.
> 
>  
> 
> The Family History Library, records for the following areas:
> 
>  
> 
> Mexico, Jalisco, San José de la Gracia
> 
>           Registro Civil:
> 
>  
> 
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.
asp?di
> 
splay=titledetails&titleno=132742&disp=Registros+civiles+del+municipio
+de+Te
> pat> Registros civiles del municipio de Tepatitlán de Morelos, 1866-
1997
> Tepatitlán de Morelos (Jalisco). Registro Civil
> 
>  
> 
> Mexico, Jalisco, Atotonilco el Alto
> 
>

Hi, Jonathan. I am researching the Los Altos de
Jalisco area and I am doing it from Los Angeles.

You think you can help?

Guillermo.

--- Jonathan Walker  wrote:

> Guillermo,
> 
> Out of curiousosity, what areas are you researching?
> And where are you
> doing, your research at?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> Experienced Mexico Researcher: www.mexicanfhr.com
> http://www.mexicanfhr.com/>  or mexicanfhr@...
> 
>  
> 
> 



		
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Thanks for the fast response. I have not tried the number 7 for 
office number. I will do soon. Also, I just need a copy for my 
records. How do I order that? And last, can you get birth certificate 
records of deceased family members (prior to 1900)?

Thank you, Guillermo.


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Jonathan Walker"  
wrote:
> Did you try putting a "7" in the office number?  I looked at the 
instruction
> page, and they had a "7" in the office box.
> 
>  
> 
> Are you needing, a certified copy for your grandmother, or do you 
just need
> a copy for your record?
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jonathan
> 
>  
> 
> Experienced Mexico Researcher: www.mexicanfhr.com
> http://www.mexicanfhr.com/>  or mexicanfhr@p...
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>   _____  
> 
> From: valhdez@y... [mailto:valhdez@y...] 
> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 3:35 PM
> To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [ranchos] Re: Jalisco Civil Register
> 
>  
> 
> Hi there. I checked this web site to order a

Hi Josephine, I have a question.

I noticed you requested baptismal certificate of a family member in 
Mexico (Zacatecas) and was wondering if you could tell me how to go 
about requesting them from the Catholic church.

Thank you in advance for your attention to my message.

Guillermo Valdez.


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Josephine Simons"  
wrote:
> Dear Ranchos members,
> I am a new, recently added member and if I have taken undue time to 
> introduce myself, please accept my apologies.  My family surnames 
are in 
> this order, Gonsalez, Garcia and great-grandmother's name 
Hernandez.  We 
> were from Zacatecas, near Jerez, and from long-standing oral 
history in my 
> family, my grandfather lived at La Hacienda de Trancoso, near 
Fresnillo.  I 
> have requested the baptismal certificate of my grandfather, Luis 
Gonsalez, 
> born in 1868, with record submitted to the catholic parish of La 
> Purificacion in Fresnillo.  My father told me that his grandmother,

Hi all, I just recently joined the group and I am researching for 
information on my mother's side ancestors. They are from Los Altos de 
Jalisco, some from ranchos and some from small towns.

The surnames I am researching are Hernández, Cervantes, Abarca and 
Valle (some other relatives are Placencia, Nuño, Nuñez and Sánchez). 
They are mostly from the area of San Jos de Gracia, Atotonilco el 
Alto, Ocotln, Arandas and the ranchos of Ortiguilla, Ojo de Agua de 
Latillas, La Muralla, Barranquilla and El Salvador.

My farthest I could get was to my great great grandfather Marcelino 
Valle, born in the mid-1800s and his 2 wives; Rita Hernández and 
Toribia Nuño (or Nuñez) (married again after Rita died). Also my 
great grandparents were Refugio Cervantes and Leonides Valle 
(Marcelino's daughter), and Bruno Hernández and Catalina (or 
Catarina?)Hernández; my grandparents were Félix Hernández (son of 
Bruno and Catalina) and Guadalupe Cervantes (daughter of Leonides).

Any help would be

Hi there. I checked this web site to order a certified copy of my 
Grandmother, but unfortunately you need to enter an office number, 
which I don't have a clue what this is. I couldn't go any further. 
Anyone knows how to bypass this?, since I have no information of 
any "office" that they are requesting. Any help would be greatly 
appreciated.


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "readysetgo95814"  
wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I recently learned that Jalisco has a website from which you can 
> order certified copies of civil records (birth, marriage and death) 
> via the Internet.  The website can be found at:
> 
> http://registrocivil.jalisco.gob.mx
> 
> You can pay with a credit card and they use a messenger service to 
> mail your records. 
> 
> Maria

welcome to the group. What larger towns are these places close to? thanks,

joseph

ps: look at some of the files and links for maps.

anitabrenner wrote:

Hi

My name is Anita and I am researching family members from Zacatecas.
I will post a file in the database with their names. Currently, I am
researching the the Amaro and Santos families from Carillo or
Adjuntas Del Refugio, Zacatecas, Mexico.

It's very nice to find this group!

Anita







Yahoo! Groups Links

Here are some pages from a book written in 1894

Geografia Y Estadistica De La Republica Mexicana Zacatecas De Alfonso
Luis Velasco

that give a lot of details of the Pinos area.


rosario ellis wrote:

Hello,

I am trying to find La Hacienda del Lobo in San Matias, Pinos,
Zacatecas. I have looked up the area map and cannot pinpoint where
this Hacienda could have been. Does anyone have an idea how to find
it? We tried using the Ranchos info Joseph Puentes has sent, but it
doesn't work.

can you be specific about this so I can look into it?

joseph

ps: do you think its possible that the Hacienda or Rancho could be
called Coyote or Coyotes rather than Lobos?

pps: this book covers all of Zacatecas. If anyone else wants some pages
of it put into the "files" area let me know and I'll eventually get to
it. . . .puede ser.

http://www.mla.org/resources/census_main

found by George Gause on the Scout Report.

Regarding your question about the hacienda - I recently learned while I was 
in Mexico digging up materials about the village from where my husband was 
born, that many haciendas/villages were given the opportunity to change their name 
after the Mexican revolution - and many did.  The rationale was that the 
"people" were empowered with their land, and so there was an effort to erase the 
autocracy which had existed under colonial rule and before the revolution. Some 
haciendas eventually became small villages, and retained a portion of their 
original name - 

On the other hand, as what happened to me in Monterrey, the hacienda's name 
actually became a "colonia" of the expanding city of Monterrey - I don't know 
how big Pinos, Zacatecas is......perhaps that can be explored....

I hope this helps....

 I believe there is a site that may have a list of some of those 
village/hacienda name changes, perhaps someone else on the board can recall....