Arambula es un apellido vasco.

Well go figure. Another Basque name.  Thank you for the information. In all the Basque listing of surnames I never came across this one.  I know my husbands family will be happy to know this.  From that region my paternal grandma was surnamed Velasco.  A new state assemblyman Juan Arambula from Fresno I believe just took office.  His family via an e-mail to a friend confirms his roots from Los Altos.

 

Again, thank you and I am anxious to delve into the materials you have.

Off Topic: Apologies - El Paso

Joseph, 
 

         I live in El Paso, how can I help?
Joseph Puentes wrote:

PLEASE CONTACT ME OFF LIST:

Can anyone that lives in El Paso, Texas that occassionally goes to the
UT El Paso for research please contact me as I have a favor to ask.
Seems that I found that a wonderful study guide exists and was hoping
someone could photocopy or digital camera copy it for me:

Partial name index to Archivos del Ayuntamiento de Chihuahua, ca.
1712-1813 :
MF 491, University Library, University of Texas at El Paso /

Cheryl English Martin

1999
English Book [1], 12, 7, 14, 4, 5, 6, 15, 2, 4, 3, 6, 14, 49 leaves ;
28 cm.
[El Paso, Tex.] : Cheryl English Martin,

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Title: Partial name index to Archivos del Ayuntamiento de Chihuahua,
ca. 1712-1813 :
MF 491

Off Topic: Apologies - El Paso

PLEASE CONTACT ME OFF LIST:



Can anyone that lives in El Paso, Texas that occassionally goes to the
UT El Paso for research please contact me as I have a favor to ask.
Seems that I found that a wonderful study guide exists and was hoping
someone could photocopy or digital camera copy it for me:



Partial name index to
Archivos del Ayuntamiento de Chihuahua, ca. 1712-1813 :



MF 491, University Library,
University of Texas at El Paso /

Cheryl English Martin

1999

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leaves ; 28 cm.
[El Paso, Tex.] : Cheryl English Martin,


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    Misc. Dissertations: Jalisco





    Pacorro73@... wrote:

    Please, Joseph, tell me....  Where did you find this
    Dissertation Abstract?

    the database: "Dissertation Abstacts" check with your local library for
    it or your largest University library. there is another service called
    "Digital Dissertations" (I think?) that lets you purchase dissertations
    for something like $35 as of about a year ago. Prices may have changed.
    then again you can contact the specific library listed and ask them for
    ILL possibilities or if you have University borrowing privledges***
    then you can try to initiate a loan through them (I think ILL is more
    likely from one University to another rather than to a public library).
    Checking with the originiating libary will be your last resort as I'm
    sure for a $ you can make arrangements to have the dissertation sent to
    you even though if it is close enought (one was UCSD) you can just go
    there and look at it free (well thats the way its been for the
    libraries I've attended. . .check

    Misc. Dissertations: Jalisco

    Please, Joseph, tell me....  Where did you find this Dissertation Abstract?  I'ts simply fascinating!!!   So it's WASN'T JUST ME who noticed something interesting about the people of Los Altos de Jalisco.  The whole thing sounds very, very interesting!!  Reminds me very much of my own family's history.  Sounds like the author is undoubtedly an Alten~o himself.
     
    And notice the name of the author, Jose Orozco.  Must be one of my primos from the TELLO DE OROZCO clan, a descendant of the first Governor of Nueva Galicia, Doctor Geronimo de Orozco, to be sure.  I co-wrote a definitive article on the Tello de Orozco family of Nueva Galicia in SHHAR's Genealogical Journal, Vol. V (2003).
     
    When I did my Bachelor's Thesis back in 2001, I pointed out how the Cristero Rebellion was directly responsible for the "Los Altos Diaspora."  After the federal government rounded people up like cattle and relocated them to refugee camps outside Los Altos--and in many large cities like Leon, Ocotlan

    Arambula es un apellido vasco.

    In a message dated 18/12/2004 04:43:25 p.m. Pacific Standard Time, golcala01@... writes:
    Sylvia Robles wrote:
    I live in Southern California. San Bernardino-Riverside Inland Empire.  In short I came back from Teocaltiche, Jalisco with a book written by a local historian.  My husbands uncle by marriage noticed the book and his mother Arambula--how Arab can it get-- was from there. 
    The surname Arambula is very much a Basque, or Euzkadi, surname, not an Arab name.  Arambula is just variation however of the original Basque form, which was ARAMBURU.  Once over here in Mexico, they began to change the spelling aroung a lot.  Arambulo, which is another variation, is one of my surnames from the Zapotlanejo area.  Originally they came from the Gonzalez de Aramburu family of Nochistlan, Zacatecas. 
     
    I've seen it as Aramburu, Arambulo, Arambula, Aranburu, Aranbulo, Aranbula, Aramvuru, Aramvulo, Aramvula, Aranvuru, Aranvulo, Aranvula, and even once as Arambo.  Reminds me

    Luna & Herrera

    Sylvia,
    You couldn't have said it any better.  We all come from the same people and as my mother said to me numerous times, "De todo da la mata."  We have so many different kind of people that we come from and yet we all come from the same part of the world.
     
    Dora

    Sylvia Robles wrote:
    I live in Southern California. San Bernardino-Riverside Inland Empire.  In short I came back from Teocaltiche, Jalisco with a book written by a local historian.  My husbands uncle by marriage noticed the book and his mother Arambula--how Arab can it get-- was from there.  My father's uncle married a Luna from Nochistlan.  The circle gets tighter, as a friend of mine is a Luna cousin to my second cousins.  My husbands' cousins' family is from Juchipilia(sic), Santoya.  My niece a Rodriguez like me attended UCLA and during a retreat asked her friend a Rodriguez(Luna) to kill time where his family was from, he said Barstow, my niece said, no relatives Rodriguez in Barstow,{wrong} so where

    Misc. Dissertations: Jalisco

    Sometimes you just can't find your way past a road block. When that
    happens you need to ask: "Do I want to get past this obstacle or not?"
    Reading stuff that is not directly related to your genealogy is
    sometimes necessary. Immersion (bautizmo) is something that you should
    consider. . .immerse yourself in everything about your area. read read
    read. You never know when you will read something that might give you a
    perspective different than your current one. . .one that might get you
    to a source of further information. Later if I remember I'll do a search
    of Zacatecas and Aguascalientes:

    
    
    

    TI: Le role de la religion dans le developpement d'une identite
    regionale: La cas de la region de Los Altos de Jalisco, Mexique (French
    text)

    AU: Lamothe-Genevieve
    DN: MA
    DD: 2003
    SN: McGill-University-Canada (0781)
    AD: Norget-Kristin
    IB: 0612886581
    PG: 96
    LA: French
    

    AB: This thesis looks at the origin, development and perpetuation of a
    religiously based regional identity in the region of

    SIX TLAXCALAN COLONIES

    If you want to read more about this why not purchase this dissertation
    (if you do please let me know as I've been wanting to do it for a long
    time, but haven't gotten to it as yet):



    TI: SIX TLAXCALAN COLONIES ON NEW SPAIN'S NORTHERN FRONTIER; A
    COMPARISON OF SUCCESS AND FAILURE (MEXICO)

    AU: SEGO-EUGENE-B

    DN: PHD

    DD: 1990

    SN: INDIANA-UNIVERSITY (0093)

    PG: 320

    LA: ENGLISH

    AB: In their desire to end the long and costly warfare with the nomadic
    Indians on colonial Mexico's northern frontier, Spanish officials
    pursued a number of remedies; one of which was pacification of the
    region through the introduction of colonies of Indian allies from
    central Mexico. By far the most energetic and large-scale effort of
    this type took place in 1591, when about one thousand Tlaxcalans were
    sent north to found six widely scattered settlements. This study traces
    the history of five of them (San Luis Colotlan,
    San Andres del Teul, San Miguel Mesquitic, Nuestra Senora de la
    Asuncion de Tlaxcalilla, and

    Dual Marriage Question

    hi Alicia,
    
    merry christmas. . .
    
    Alicia Carrillo wrote:
    
    
    Sylvia,
    


    Great history and summary.

    My family also hails from Teocaltiche, the Olmos, Ruiz Esparza,
    Avelar, Aguayo and Gomez lines. Still trying to decipher some of the
    family lines. The GGG, abuelo Prudencio Olmos creatied some
    interesting family ties in that he had two sets of wives and families
    and appeared to be married at the same time to both women. The first
    wife and family should have inherited the wealth but it was just the
    opposite. Needles to say this created much dissention within the
    families. Through the years I would hear comments such as "son de los
    otros Olmos", meaning that it wasn't the same Olmos family. I'm still
    working on this and need more verification that they were the same
    family. I'm thinking that the reason he could pull this off was
    because Prudencio married in different states, first wife in
    Nochistlan Zacatecas and second wife in Teocaltiche Jalisco. Does
    anyone know of other

    Luna & Herrera

    Sylvia,
     
    Great history and summary.
     
    My family also hails from Teocaltiche, the Olmos, Ruiz Esparza, Avelar, Aguayo and Gomez lines. Still trying to decipher some of the family lines.  The GGG, abuelo Prudencio Olmos creatied some interesting family ties in that he had two sets of wives and families and appeared to be married at the same time to both women. The first wife and family should have inherited the wealth but it was just the opposite. Needles to say this created much dissention within the families. Through the years I would hear comments such as "son de los otros Olmos", meaning that it wasn't the same Olmos family. I'm still working on this and need more verification that they were the same family. I'm thinking that the reason he could pull this off was because Prudencio married in different states, first wife in Nochistlan  Zacatecas and second wife in Teocaltiche Jalisco. Does anyone know of other instances of dual marriages of one male and married in the church?
     
    My

    Sylvia's ONE LAST TRY


    The Villarreal's are a very prominent family from the Zacatecas region, which although a different state than Jalisco is very close to Los Altos.  The main trade caravans during the period using mule teams were out of Teocaltiche.  They traveled locally and all the way to Santa Fe.  I will scan and post the info I have.

    Luna & Herrera

    I live in Southern California. San Bernardino-Riverside Inland Empire.  In short I came back from Teocaltiche, Jalisco with a book written by a local historian.  My husbands uncle by marriage noticed the book and his mother Arambula--how Arab can it get-- was from there.  My father's uncle married a Luna from Nochistlan.  The circle gets tighter, as a friend of mine is a Luna cousin to my second cousins.  My husbands' cousins' family is from Juchipilia(sic), Santoya.  My niece a Rodriguez like me attended UCLA and during a retreat asked her friend a Rodriguez(Luna) to kill time where his family was from, he said Barstow, my niece said, no relatives Rodriguez in Barstow,{wrong} so where were they born...Needles, Ca...oops my dad was born there..so off to the phone to call the elders and yes, they are  first cousins 3X's removed...sharing the same ggg=grandparents.  I laugh at my New Mexico friends who claim puro Espanol..no the Indians you
    mentioned as co-conspirators were made

    Site for collecting DNA

    DNA Examinations

    I sent this information to Gloria...which might also be helpful to the group on collecting oral samples.

    Helyn Castaneda

    Buccal (oral)

    There are two sources of DNA used in forensic analyses. Nuclear DNA (nDNA) is typically analyzed in evidence containing blood, semen, saliva, body tissues, and hairs that have tissue at their root ends. Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) is typically analyzed in evidence containing naturally shed hairs, hair fragments, bones, and teeth.

    Questions concerning nuclear DNA evidence should be directed to 703-632-8446. Questions concerning mitochondrial DNA evidence should be directed to 703-632-7572. Follow the Evidence Submission directions including Requesting Evidence Examinations and Packaging and Shipping Evidence.

       


    Buccal (oral) swabs
    • Use clean cotton swabs to collect buccal (oral) samples. Rub the inside surfaces of the cheeks thoroughly.

    • Air-dry the swabs and place in clean paper or an envelope with sealed

    Joseph?

    My prayers will
    be for the recovery of your brother.

    size=2> 

    God
    bless.

    size=2> 

    size=2>Alberto.


    size=2>-----Original Message-----
    From: glo Sandoval-Fuentes
    [mailto:gloriafuentes@...]
    Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004
    11:40 AM
    To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: [ranchos]
    Joseph?


       Joseph,

    Is there
    anyway to get a sample myself from my brother of his DNA? I am
    heading to
    sacramento as my brother has had an accident and is in serious
    condition
    with a head injury.

    He is my last living brother and I understand the
    DNA has to come from the
    males? Is there anyway I can swab his mouth and
    be told a way to preserve it
    until I can get it analyzed or what ever you
    call it?

    Please let me know asap as I will be flying out tonite and
    away from my
    computer.

    thank you
    gloria



    Joseph?

    so sorry to hear about your brother. I don't know of ways to preserve
    the DNA without one of the collection kits sent out with the test. I
    might be wrong about this but I think there are more expensive tests
    that can be done with hair. Another thing to consider is does your
    brother have any male children because you can pick up your dad's side
    via his male children and you can get your mom's mom's mom's etc side
    via your own MtDNA.

    
    again sorry to hear about your brother.
    
    joseph
    
    glo Sandoval-Fuentes wrote:
    
    
      Joseph,
    
    

    Is there anyway to get a sample myself from my brother of his DNA? I am
    heading to sacramento as my brother has had an accident and is in serious
    condition with a head injury.

    
    

    He is my last living brother and I understand the DNA has to come from the
    males? Is there anyway I can swab his mouth and be told a way to preserve it
    until I can get it analyzed or what ever you call it?

    
    

    Please let me know asap as I will be flying out tonite and away from my
    com

    Joseph?

    
      Joseph,
    
    

    Is there anyway to get a sample myself from my brother of his DNA? I am
    heading to sacramento as my brother has had an accident and is in serious
    condition with a head injury.

    
    

    He is my last living brother and I understand the DNA has to come from the
    males? Is there anyway I can swab his mouth and be told a way to preserve it
    until I can get it analyzed or what ever you call it?

    
    

    Please let me know asap as I will be flying out tonite and away from my
    computer.

    
    thank you
    gloria
    
    
    
    

    Joseph?

    
      Joseph,
    
    

    Is there anyway to get a sample myself from my brother of his DNA? I am
    heading to sacramento as my brother has had an accident and is in serious
    condition with a head injury.

    
    

    He is my last living brother and I understand the DNA has to come from the
    males? Is there anyway I can swab his mouth and be told a way to preserve it
    until I can get it analyzed or what ever you call it?

    
    

    Please let me know asap as I will be flying out tonite and away from my
    computer.

    
    thank you
    gloria
    
    
    
    

    Luna & Herrera

    Hi Esperanza,
     
    I have run across the surnames you mentioned
    (de-Herrera & de-Luna) in my Los Altos research in birth & marriage
    records.  It's worth a try.  My great Aunt by marriage was a de-Luna
    from the ranch, La Cienega located in San Miguel el Alto.  There are still
    de Lunas there.  My cousin, Maria -Ventura is married to one, and
    lives on that ranch.  I also have De Herrera in my family tree. 
    Maria-Tomasa de-Herrera, born in 1776 (4th great grandmother) was born in San
    Juan de los Lagos, but her older siblings were born in
    Jalostotitlan.
    Irma
    -----Original Message-----
    From: latina1955@...
    [mailto:latina1955@...]
    Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 5:31
    PM
    To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: Re: [ranchos]
    Sylvia's ONE LAST TRY

    I just wanted to share something that about my past.  Recently, I
    learned what native american blood we have from our father's side of the
    family.
     
    On the marriage record of Thomas Bermeo and Juana Flores (1742) it is

    DNA: Soy Indio Tambien!

    Wow, what a great
    story.  I bet the same happened to many of our grandparents that came
    from Mexico during those hard times.  They suffered great hardships and
    give up many sacrifices so that we could led a better life.
     
    Regards.
     
    Alberto.
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Joseph Puentes
    [mailto:makas@...]
    Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 5:03
    PM
    To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: [ranchos] DNA: Soy
    Indio Tambien!



    alice wissing wrote:

    Joseph,
     
    Would you be willing to share the results of your DNA test with the
    group?

    absolutely, would be willing to, but I haven't quite
    figured out how to do that. let me think on it a bit. I've forwarded this
    message to Gary Felix with the question of how best I should share my DNA
    results with a group of people.

    I'd like to know whether you felt it was worth the money and
    trouble.

    was it worth the money and trouble, well first it
    was no trouble at all unless you consider a slight scratching

    DNA: Soy Indio Tambien!

    Joseph,
    
    These are the Native-American haplogroups for Mt-DNA:
    A, B, C, D,
    
    These are the European haplogroups for Mt-DNA: H, J,
    U, V, T, X, I
    
    Which one did you come out, I came out X.
    
    
    Saludos,
    Angel Cervantes
    Cervantes DNA Surname Project
    Project Administrator
    
    
    
    		
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    Sylvia's ONE LAST TRY

    I just wanted to share something that about my past.  Recently, I learned what native american blood we have from our father's side of the family.
     
    On the marriage record of Thomas Bermeo and Juana Flores (1742) it is mentioned that They were "Indios Tlaxcaltecos" and their parents origin was Nadadores,Coahuila, this is a small town close to Cuatro Cienegas.  Here's what's interesting:  Tlaxcaltecos Indians were not indigenous to Nuevo Leon/Coahuila area.  Upon further research, I found out that these were the same Indians that had befriended Cortez and helped bring the Aztec empire down.  Further, they were brought up by the Espanoles to the Nuevo Leon/Coahuila area to help docile the local population. 
     
    I thought this information was wonderful and it was found through birth certificates!.  Our indigenous heritage was purposely down-played, and I, for one was delighted to find out why some of us are "morenos" on our father's side of the family.
     
    Regarding the DNA project, a

    DNA: Soy Indio Tambien!





    alice wissing wrote:

    Joseph,
     
    Would you be willing to share the results of your DNA test with
    the group?

    absolutely, would be willing to, but I haven't quite figured out how to
    do that. let me think on it a bit. I've forwarded this message to Gary
    Felix with the question of how best I should share my DNA results with
    a group of people.

    I'd like to know whether you felt it was worth the money and
    trouble.

    was it worth the money and trouble, well first it was no trouble at all
    unless you consider a slight scratching (no blood) of the inside of
    your cheek trouble. With regards to the money well I look at that this
    way - somebody had to go first so why not me. Heck a thousand years
    from now I plan on being a genealogical god. . .i figure someone will
    be saying wow that Joseph Puentes sure was a visionary to have done all
    that genealogy and his DNA testing to boot! Right now I have some
    unique opportunities: To collect Oral History before it dies out AND to
    collect DNA

    Food Traditions

    Hello All,
     
    I have been following the conversations about food traditions and how to cook Menudo, Pozole, etc.  I don't know if anyone shares the custom that we have in the Sain Alto region of Zacatecas.  Many people have Reliquias (Spelling?).  These are celebrations in honor of a patron saint.  Households will cook a whole lot of food and then pray a rosary in honor of that saint and the best part of all is that the food will be given away to anyone that comes to the house.  If you wish to eat in the home that is acceptable and if not, then families will normally bring a dish and it will be filled to take home.  It is a wonderful tradition that we have in Sain Alto.
     
    My husband is from Magdalena, Jalisco and he has never heard of a Reliquia.  My father-in-law's parents and grandparents are from Zacatecas and he has heard of and attended some Reliquia.  So this leads me to believe that it may be a Zacatecas thing.  What do you think?
     
    And yes, I too celebrate all of my various

    Sylvia's ONE LAST TRY

    I am in the process of getting my DNA test via a brother.  I notice alot of discussion regarding our rainbow spectrum.  Most of us being from the Central Mexican provinces will be most affected by the Rainbow spectrum.  The silver cities, Zacatecas, Aguascalientes and Jalisco were more predominately Espanol because the Indigenous population was less settled in those areas and thus less present and those that were succumbed to the European illness and savagery of how that part of our bloodline mistreated the labor of that part of the bloodline. I also have the dark to white spectrum in my family, the Rubio's form Los Altos married las morenas from Durango, when grandpa from his flight from Teocaltiche married a second wife, because tragically his first died via the various plaques that affected Mexico during this turbulent time.
     
    Spainards are not all blond and blue eyed and only a small minority are tall, from the Extremadura area region, where the conquistadors are from.  Spain is