Arturo and everyone else in the group.

I've been trying to enter my Caldera line using the information in the files by Susan Leniski. I'm having a problem with the time line between the births of the children of Pedro Cid Caldera and Ana Maria Carrillo. My interest is in their daughters Clara Cid and Ysabel Cid, I can't find a birth date that works for them. In fact I can't figure the date of birth for their father Pedro Cid Caldera!

The girls mother Ana Maria Carrillo must have been born abt 1600 and thats the problem. I can make Clara Cid Caldera work if she's born abt 1630 but Ysabel Cid Caldera and husband Clemente Acuna have their first child abt 1691 or so, and their last abt 1710.. How does that work???? HELP

Linda in Everett

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Hi Linda:

It's me again. I've just found who your Isabel Caldera is: the daughter of
Pedro Cid Caldera and Juana Rosales (whose marriage information is the my
previous mail) and therefore the grandaughter of Pedro Cid Caldera and María
Carrillo de Avila:

" ACUÑA José DE, español, soltero, de 18 años de edad, natural originario y
vecino de la villa de Jerez, hijo legítimo de Clemente de Acuña y de Isabel
Caldera, españoles, originarios de la jurisdicción de la villa de Jerez,
donde residen. Dijo que el saber ahora de este parentesco fue PORQUE SU
ABUELA DE ESTE DECLARANTE, JUANA ROSALES, MADRE DE LA MADRE DE ESTE
DECLARANTE, QUE ES ISABEL CALDERA, le dijo que era hija de Antonio Carlos,
ya difunto y que este dicho Antonio Carlos era tío carnal de Onofre de
Ávila, padre de la pretensa Micaela de Ávila, y que por parecerle ser tan
lejos y remoto parentesco presume infiere no será muy difícil la
dispensación que se ofrece. No firmó. Pretende contraer matrimonio
eclesiástico en Jerez con

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Hector, you are wonderful! I had all those same records from Susan Leniski's file but put them together incorrectly.. Thank you so much! I hate when I send out the wrong information and really appreciate you taking the time to find my error.. YOU ROCK!!!! I will be updating my files on Rootsweb.com this weekend.
thank you again...

Linda in Everett

Héctor Felix Aizcorbe wrote:
Hi Linda:

It's me again. I've just found who your Isabel Caldera is: the daughter of
Pedro Cid Caldera and Juana Rosales (whose marriage information is the my
previous mail) and therefore the grandaughter of Pedro Cid Caldera and María
Carrillo de Avila:

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Hi Linda,

I'm glad to have helped you clarifying your records. I've a lot of info on
Jerez. Count on it any time you might need something.

Regards,
hector

-----Mensaje original-----
De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Erlinda
Castanon-Long
Enviado el: Miércoles, 23 de Enero de 2008 05:49 p.m.
Para: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Help! Caldera lineage

Hector, you are wonderful! I had all those same records from Susan
Leniski's file but put them together incorrectly.. Thank you so much! I
hate when I send out the wrong information and really appreciate you taking
the time to find my error.. YOU ROCK!!!! I will be updating my files on
Rootsweb.com this weekend.
thank you again...

Linda in Everett

Héctor Felix Aizcorbe wrote:
Hi Linda:

It's me again. I've just found who your Isabel Caldera is: the daughter of
Pedro Cid Caldera and Juana Rosales (whose marriage

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Your Isabel Cid Caldera, the wife of Clemente de Acuña, could've not have
been a daughter of Pedro Cid Caldera and María Carrillo, whose marriage took
place around 1625. Following (i) is the marriage information of Pedro, one
of the latter couple sons, who must have been born around 1644; (2) Plus
your Isabel Cid or Caldera was still having children in 1699. (3) Another
daughter, Matiana, was born around 1649 (probably earlier).

(4) There was another couple named Pedro Cid and Maria Carrillo (very common
names in Jerez at the time, by the way), living in the early 18th century.

(1) CID PEDRO, soltero, de 26 años de edad, originario de la villa de Jerez,
y vecino de la jurisdicción de Jerez, hijo legítimo de Pedro Cid Caldera,
difunto y de María Carrillo. No firmó. Pretende contraer matrimonio
eclesiástico en Jerez el 5 de abril de 1670 con Juana Rosales, soltera, de
20 años de edad, originaria de la Troje, estancia de Mariana de la Cruz,
jurisdicción de Jerez, y vecina de dicha

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where did you find pedro cid caldera and juana rosales's marriage record. i have had no luck finding it on familysearch

edit: i should also mention that i've found documents stating that clara and matiana were adopted

edit:since the transcirption of pedro and juana's marriage record claims juana rosales has unknown parentage, i suspect that antonio carlos cheated on his wife with another woman, since his wife catalina, was a sister of juana's husband pedro cid caldera