Message for Helyn...Anna is aware of your request. We
will respond asap.
Message for Bill Figueroa,
In respond to your request please reference announce
Digest, Vol 7, Issue 13, dated Sat. 26 Aug 2006. Our
adventure begins from Guadalajara, and will follow the
route proposed by Alicia Carrillo in August 2006. I
will gather data, photos, books, hotels rates,
distance, fares-bus and cabs, best routes, etc....
Genealogical references, Municipal records. I will
indeed look into your request.
Jose Munoz
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Message for José Muñoz,
Thank you for the information about your forthcoming trip to Mexico. I went
to Aguascalientes last March 30th, just days before the "Feria de San
Marcos" started in late April. It runs for a few weeks and at that time it
is difficult to book rooms in the major hotels. The fair attracts
visitors from all over Mexico. I stayed at the Calinda-Francia Hotel right
in the heart of town, and either walked or took taxi cabs for the first few
days. Then, I rented a car during the weekend (all the major companies rent
cars at the airport). Be sure to stop at the Tourist Office on the main
plaza and to take the city tour to familiarize yourself with the streets and
historical sites. On Saturday I drove to Rincón de Romos, Hda. del Pabellón
and the new San José de Gracia. The old town is underwater due to
construction of a dam and reservoir in 1927. I also visited several other
towns and ranches north of Aguascalientes. Then on Sunday I drove south and
visited
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----- Original Message ----
From: Bill Figueroa bill_figueroa@usa.net
Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2007 12:20:16 AM
I have been to Guadalajara and other points west in Jalisco and
Nayarit (not of interest to our group, but my Ruiz de Esparza ancestors
moved to Tepic in the 1840s).
Bill, I think many of us would be interested in Tepic Nayarit. I believe the rules of Nuestros Ranchos are that you must have descendants from the three states but it does not limit the inclusion of history, data and ancestry from other Mexican states, on the contrary........many of us will probably connect our histories outside of Aguascalientes, Jalisco and Zacatecas.
Alicia
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Alicia Carrillo wrote:
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Bill Figueroa bill_figueroa@usa.net
>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2007 12:20:16 AM
>
> I have been to Guadalajara and other points west in Jalisco and
> Nayarit (not of interest to our group, but my Ruiz de Esparza ancestors
> moved to Tepic in the 1840s).
>
> Bill, I think many of us would be interested in Tepic Nayarit. I believe the rules of Nuestros Ranchos are that you must have descendants from the three states but it does not limit the inclusion of history, data and ancestry from other Mexican states, on the contrary........many of us will probably connect our histories outside of Aguascalientes, Jalisco and Zacatecas.
>
> Alicia
>
>
I'll amen what Alicia says. Yes I would like to stay centered around our
target area of Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes, BUT people
moved from and to our target area. Kind of give a small small sense of
connection to our target area and discussion about other areas
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Message for Alicia Carrillo and Joseph Puentes,
Thanks for your message. It is interesting to follow the path of families that lived in an area for centuries, and all of a sudden decided to move away. The last of my ancestors born in Aguascalientes was my great grandmother María Josepha Frías Ruiz-de-Esparza. She was the daughter of Antonio Frías Jasso and Refugio Ruiz de Esparza. Antonio, born in Matehuala in 1808, was the son of José María Frías Garri, a native of la Rioja, in Spain, and Gertrudis Escobedo y Escalera, a native of Aguascalientes. They married at the chapel of hacienda del Pabellón de San Blas in 1803. My great grandmother was a direct descendant of three (yes, three!!) of Lope Ruiz de Esparza's children: Bernardo, married to Catalina Lozano; Lorenza, married to Luis Tiscareño de Molina; and María, married to Nicolás de Ulloa. Several generations later, the descendants of these three families intermarried, so although they are three separate genealogical lines
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Not boring at all in fact very very interesting. . .I envy the richness
of the details you have in your genealogy. I have dates and not nearly
so far back. thank you for sharing.
talking about Guatemala. . .one of your countrymen, Guillermo Castañeda
Lee did a podcast for the http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com podcast
project. Have a listen: http://nuestrafamiliaunida.com/genealogy/other.html
thanks for sharing and who knows but we might need to open the door a
bit wider to include Tepic or would it be all of Nayarit? No my history
is lacking terribly in some areas. maybe we can have you send in more
material that would support the resolution to open the group to consider
Tepic (Nayarit). I've never been opposed to hearing a good argument and
the evidence to support it. Since this message really falls into the
category of research in our area of research I'm moving it over to the
research@nuestrosranchos.org list
http://www.elbalero.gob.mx/kids/explora/html/nayarit/index.html
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I have an ancestress, Lorenza Najar, who purportedly was originally
from Nayarit. She lived in 17th and 18th centuries in Zacatecas, where
she gave birth to 2 Zaldivar boys--one of whom was my direct ancestor,
Josef Zaldivar. So, yeah, let's include Nayarit (just for this
reason:)). Marge:)
On Jan 6, 2007, at 5:20 PM, Joseph Puentes wrote:
> Not boring at all in fact very very interesting. . .I envy the richness
> of the details you have in your genealogy. I have dates and not nearly
> so far back. thank you for sharing.
>
> talking about Guatemala. . .one of your countrymen, Guillermo Castañeda
> Lee did a podcast for the http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com podcast
> project. Have a listen:
> http://nuestrafamiliaunida.com/genealogy/other.html
>
> thanks for sharing and who knows but we might need to open the door a
> bit wider to include Tepic or would it be all of Nayarit? No my history
> is lacking terribly in some areas. maybe we can have you send in more
> material that
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Hi Bill ,
My name is Welester and I have a friend named Lucio who is also a direct descendent of Ruiz de Esparza and a friend of his is a direct descendendent of Tiscareno anyway , sometime this coming week I am gonna help them register with NuestrosRanchos . I'm hoping that the three of you can connect .
Take care ,
Welester
> From: bill_figueroa@usa.net> To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 16:20:05 -0600> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Trip to Jalisco, Aguas Calientes and Zacatecas> > Message for Alicia Carrillo and Joseph Puentes,> > Thanks for your message. It is interesting to follow the path of families that lived in an area for centuries, and all of a sudden decided to move away. The last of my ancestors born in Aguascalientes was my great grandmother María Josepha Frías Ruiz-de-Esparza. She was the daughter of Antonio Frías Jasso and Refugio Ruiz de Esparza. Antonio, born in Matehuala in 1808, was the son of José María Frías Garri, a native of la
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Hi Welester,
Thanks for your message. I look forward to getting in touch with your
friends that have connections to Ruiz de Esparza and Tiscareño families.
Regards,
Bill
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Trip to Jalisco, Aguas Calientes and Zacatecas