Hola estimados compañeros,
Me gustaría saber si alguien puede informarme sobre la nueva información que he visto donde se establece a Sancha de Velasco, esposa de Alfonso Ruiz de Temiño, como hija de Sancho Sánchez de Velasco y María Enríquez de Lacarra. Según mis notas basadas en estos foros de hace unos años estos datos eran posibles pues no había un documento que lo expresara. Sin embargo vi una publicación reciente en este sitio donde se refieren a Sancha de Velasco con su segundo apellido como de Lacarra, no recuerdo cuál fue pero también hay un árbol genealógico en línea que liga a Sancha de Velasco con esta pareja y como precisamente no son fuentes cien por ciento confiables es que les hago esta pregunta:
¿Está confirmado este parentesco con algún documento encontrado en fecha reciente?
Ahora bien, si esto fuera cierto la genealogía de Doña Sancha que se establece en este árbol genealógico en línea resulta muy interesante, pero como también observé en mis notas es que la filiación a su vez de sus padres no estaba del todo clara. Gracias a una publicación de Daniel Méndez de Torres en el 2010 es que se piensa que Don Sancho era hijo de Don Pedro Fernández de Velasco porque el último fundó un mayorazgo para su hijo Sancho, a quien identificaba como su tercer hijo y poseedor del título de Señor de Arnedo. Aunque las probabilidades son grandes no se confirma con esta información que Sancho Sánchez de Velasco casado con María Enríque de Lacarra sea el mismo.
Les agradezco alguien me pueda actualizar con la nueva información en el tema.
Su amigo,
Enrique Salvador Agraz Villarreal
The Carillo ancestry of the Velasco family is a little confusing as one line with the title holder ends without children, or sons, (depending on how you interpret it) so a nephew takes a title. This nephew is married to a cousin so branches of the Carillo family are joined, but genealogists have confused the lines and provide different trees. Second marriages within the family also helped confuse the lines. A will where a great grandfather is listed helps straighten out the confusing lines. I have straightened out some of the confusion, but am still collecting and sorting primary data to solidify the lines.
There is descent from Eleanor of Aquitane but it is through the wife of the nephew that inherits the title. The wife is a cousin to her husband as they are both Carillos. This wife s ancestry and her husbands is often confused by genealogists as they confuse son in law with son.
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6). Garcia Gomez de Carillo.Señor de Ormasa y Mazuelo, (d.1312) + Elvira Alvarez de Osorio
7). Sancha Garcia Carillo y Osorio + Sancho Sanchez de Velasco I señor de Medina y Pomar, adelantado mayor de Castilla
8). Fernan Sanchez de Velasco (b. 1307, d.1347) + Mayor Juana G
9). Pedro Fernandez de Velasco ( y Castañeda) III Señor de Medina y Pomar (b. 1335, d.1384) [ Pedro is married to Maria Sarmiento but she is not the mother of two of his sons, #10Pedro Hernandez de Velasco and Sancho Sanchez de Velasco.]
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10). Pedro Hernandez de Velasco [Pedro is married to Isabel de Agüero y Ochoa de Ceballos. I do not know if his son Sancho is from this marriage] [this Pedro inherited property from his father that his father's legitimate wife, Maria Sarmiento, did not want to give up.] {this Pedro was not as stable financially as his brother Sancho Sanchez de Velasco, or his legitimate half
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Sancho Sanchez el comendador is the son of Pedro de Velasco, half brother of Juan de Velasco y Sarmiento. I do not have the name of Sancho Sanchez de Velasco's mother. The Sancho Sanchez that I had believed was his father is his uncle. In order for the comendador to be a cousin, he had to descend from one of the two brothers. Further research revealed that he does not descend from Sancho Sanchez de Velasco which leaves him to be the son of Pedro. I do have a wife for this Pedro but I don't know if Sancho.Sanchez el comendador is legitimate or illegitimate. If Sancho is legitimate then he is a younger born son. I do have more information of the eldest born son.
I am sorry for having stated that his uncle was his father,
There are many men named Sancho Sanchez which has made the search for "Sancho Sanchez el comendador" a lengthy one. Secondary sources served to add confusion to the search. Looking only at the information from primary sources provides a different picture than
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Comunmente no se le llamaba Comendador a Don Sancho de Velasco (Sr de Arnedo) pero en funciones si lo era, ya que recibio en "encomienda" una villa llamada Villaporquera, años despues cuando murio Don Sancho los vecinos pidieron ya no ser encomienda. Esta informacion se encuentra en PARES, archivo Real Cancillería de los Reyes de Castilla. Registro del Sello de Corte.
Otro documento de cuyo contenido completo no conosco pero me parece interesante y que se encuentra en PARES es el siguinte: "Carta de finiquito que dieron Alonso Ruiz y su mujer, a favor de Sancho de Velasco, dada en Tremiño a 31 del mes de mayo de 1460."
¿Quien será este Alonso Ruiz?
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I posted the the information Sancho Velasco el comendador based on a combination of primary and secondary sources. The problem is that secondary sources available to me have different information. Because of this I am not 100% sure If the line is correct. If the primary source on the comendador is correct, then Sancho Sanchez de Velasco el comendador is the son of either Sancho Sanchez de Velasco or his brother Pedro de Velasco. Both of these brothers are illegitimate brothers of Juan Fernandez de Velasco (y Sarmiento). Putting the information together from some secondary sources pointed to a descent from Sancho Sanchez de Velasco. But if Luis de Salazar y Castro's line of descent is correct then the comendador does not descend from Sancho.
Luis de Salazar y Castro mentions Sancho Sanchez de Velasco but erroneously names his mother as Maria Sarmiento, which would make him a full brother. Numerous primary documents clearly show that Sancho and Pedro are not sons of Maria Sarmiento
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Sancho de Velasco comendador de Castroverde, Cousin to Pedro Velasco Solier, Conde de Haro.
Juan de Velasco and Maria Solier are the parents of Pedro Fernandez de Velasco (y Solier) 1 Conde de Haro
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1). Sancho Sanchez de Velasco + Sancha Carillo
2). Fernan Sanchez de Velasco + Mayor de Castañeda
3). Pedro Fernandez de Velasco + Maria Sarmiento
4). Juan De Velasco (y Sarmiento) Maria Solier
5). Pedro Fernandez de Velasco, ( y Solier) + 1 Conde de Haro + Beatriz Manrique de Lara y Castilla
6). Sancho Fernandez de Velasco, Señor de Arnedo + Maria Enriquez de Lacarra
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1). Sancho Sanchez de Velasco + Sancha Carillo
2). Fernan Sanchez de Velasco + Mayor de Castañeda
3). Pedro Fernandez de Velasco ( Pedro is married to Maria Sarmiento but she is not #4 Sancho's mother)
4). Sancho Velasco (hijo natural, named in a big legal dispute)
5). Sancho Sanchez de Velasco, comendador (The
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Mr. Ricci,
Do you know who the parents are of Alfonso Ruiz de Temino?
Danny C. Alonso
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Dear Danny,
I have not confirmed the identity of the parents of Alfonso Ruiz de Temiño. I have been researching the family and I have many sources to check before presenting my research on his ancestors. I will say that although I have not found evidence that Alfonso Ruiz de Temiño used the title "Señor de Bureba", I believe that he most likely descends from the señores de Bureba and that is why he may have been referred to as such by some genealogists. So Leon is right that we haven't found him with a title of nobility.
There is a big mistake in Wikipedia. They have Sancho de Velasco as the son of Maria Sarmiento. He was not her son. He was illegitimate and did work for his half brother, Juan de Velasco (y Sarmiento). All primary sources are clear that Sancho is not the son of Maria Sarmiento.
The genealogist Luis de Salazar y Castro erroneously claimed that Sancho Sanchez de Velasco was a son of Maria Sarmiento. Many people see the family tree that he put together and assume
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The people who were holding out hope that Sancho Sánchez de Velasco and María Enríquez de Lacarra are the paternal grandparents of Sancha Sanchez de Velasco married to Alfonso Ruiz de Temino will be disappointed to find out that her father, Sancho Sanchez de Velasco, el comendador, has been proven to be from another branch of the family.
But genealogy is a science. When we get additional information, we need to use that information to help us in our research. Sometimes genealogists, myself included, find information that changes the direction of our research. Instead of being disappointed, we need to embrace the new information since our search is for the truth. The search is always for the truth, otherwise hours of research are a waste of time. A fake family tree can be made with much less effort and time. And a fake family tree isn't worth the paper it is written on. The effort and hours of research are only worth it if we are seeking the truth. Any additional information
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A primary source states that the comendador is a first cousin to Pedro Fernandez de Velasco so the comendador and Pedro Fernandez de Velasco y Solier. This means that they have the same grandfather.
It depends on whether you believe the primary source document that names him as a cousin, or the historian that believes that there should be an added generation which makes his father the half first cousin and him a nephew of Pedro Fernandez de Velasco. The confusion may be because of the illegitimate status of Sancho Sanchez de Velasco and Pedro Velasco.
What we do know is that the comendador was the either the son or the grandson of Sancho Sanchez De Velasco or Pedro de Velasco the natural sons of Pedro Fernandez de Velasco (and not his wife Maria Sarmiento). Sancho and Pedro are mentioned in his father's will and in their half brother, Juan Velasco's will. They also are in the service of their half brother Juan de Velasco. Sancho is also named in a big court case in which he is
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Sancho de Velasco comendador de Castroverde, Cousin to Pedro Velasco Solier, Conde de Haro.
Juan de Velasco and Maria Solier are the parents of Pedro Velasco Solier
Piece by piece the puzzle comes together. Slowly at times, but every little piece that we add brings us closer to completing the puzzle.
R.A. Ricci
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Dear Leon de Tejada and Enrique Salvador Agraz Villarrea,
Thank you for clarifying that Sancho Velasco el comendador and Sancho Velasco el Señor de Arnedo are not the same person. Because of your statements, I dropped what I was working on and focused my energy on trying to find out more information on Sancho Velasco el comendador.
Though I have not yet found answers to our questions on Sancho Velasco el comendador, I discovered Isabel Mendoza (Velasco) the half sister to the Virrey (2nd Viceroy). For me personally, this was a bigger find then actually finding Sancho Velasco since I had been looking for an " Isabel Mendoza" that matched all the clues for about four decades.
We do have leads since he is called a cousin, we just need to find out what degree cousin. Once we find out where he was comendador, then we can focus our energy on documents in that area to see if we can find out more about him. I need to go back to working on what I had been working on before, but will go
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The last time that I commented on my Sancha Velasco de Lacarra findings I was accused of riding the tailcoats on the discussion so I won't repeat all of the documentation. Yes, our Sancha Velasco de Lacarra is the one that is an ancestor to the temino de Velasco. And it is through this line that there is a clear why : " Uno de los hijos de Alfonso Ruiz de Temiño y de Sancha de Velasco tomó el nombre de Pedro Gómez de Velasco".
The problem is the evidence is in the inquisition records of the judeo converso part of the family. Anyone refusing to believe that we have judeo converso ancestors will avoid looking at these records which actually lead back to royalty like the Fernandez de Hijar or Velasco lines. Besides descent from Enrique Ii of Castile,there is repeated descent from Portuguese kings, Aragon kings, and Sancho Iv of Castile. There is also a line of descent from English royalty. I will document these lines in my book.
R.A.. Ricci
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Para mí hasta que no haya evidencia en vez de promesas y documentos perdidos y ocultos seguimos en la misma.
Nadie me ha podido contestar hasta la fecha lo siguiente: El padre de Sancha de Velasco fue el Comendador Sancho Sánchez de Velasco (nunca se menciona a la madre). ¿Comendador de dónde? ¿A qué orden de Caballería pertenecía?
Veamos. Si Sancha es la supuesta hija de Sancho Fernández de Velasco, Señor de Arnedo y de María Enríquez de Lacarra...
¿Por qué en el único documento que muestra la filiación de Sancha como hija del Comendador Sancho de Velasco (Comisión sobre la herencia del comendador Sancho de Velasco. 1491-9-30 Burgos) NO aparecen Antonio de Velasco y Enríquez de Lacarra, Conde Consorte de Nieva, Francisca y Ana de Velasco y Lacarra entre la gente que pelea por la herencia? En teoría son hermanos de Sancha ¿Dónde están?
Me parece raro que en el pleito de la herencia del Comendador Sancho no aparezca NI UN Velasco y Enríquez de Lacarra ni se mencione a Arnedo
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Estimado Erik,
Te agradezco la excelente aclaración acerca de lo que hasta ahora sabemos de la filiación de Sancha de Velasco.
Me parece muy viable tu teoría en la que Pedro Gómez de Velasco estaría relacionado con Sancha de Velasco, primero por el hecho de que mencionas que uno de los hijos de Sancha utilizó el mismo nombre y segundo porque los documentos relativos a la herencia del comendador Sancho Sánchez de Velasco, padre de Sancha, citan a un Antonio de Velasco vecino de Villegas (Burgos), región en la que Pedro Gómez de Velasco se había asentado antes.
Como ya has argumentado hasta ahora no hay razones para fusionar al Comendador con el Señor de Arnedo en una misma persona. Estos títulos que se utilizaron distintamente son los que nos están ayudando a dirigir el curso de las investigaciones, además de tomar en cuenta a las personas que participaron en el pleito de herencia del Comendador.
No he estudiado profundamente a esta familia por lo que me reservo a aportar nuevas
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Estimado Enrique,
Gracias a ti, volver a sacar estos temas es importante porque siempre hay la posibilidad de encontrar información nueva y nos permite comparar datos.
Con lo siguiente podemos cerrar el asunto del Comendador y del Señor de Arnedo:
1) Sancho Fernández de Velasco, Señor de Arnedo. Esposo de María Enríquez de Lacarra. Otorgó su último testamento el 23 de Febrero de 1493 en Valladolid.
2) La comisión sobre la herencia del comendador Sancho de Velasco (padre de Sancha) es del 30 de Septiembre de 1491 en Villadiego, Burgos.
El comendador Sancho Sánchez de Velasco murió antes de 1491, fecha en la que todavía estaba vivo el Señor de Arnedo (muerto no antes de 1493). NO son la misma persona y podemos entonces desechar la teoría de Sancha Velasco de Lacarra.
Creo que lo más sano y centrado sería buscar entre los hermanos del I Conde de Haro.
Aquí hay algo curioso: En el manuscrito del Linaje de Bañuelos que hace Salazar y Castro (que como sabemos miembros de esta
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me dirijo al Señor R.A.. Ricci para pedirle de favor me informe cuando haya terminado su libro , para comprar un ejemplar ya sea que me diga en donde comprarlo o me indique la vía a seguir .
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There is conflicting information on Sanchas father. There seems to be multiple relationships between the Ruiz, banuelos and velasco families and that seems to be the source of the confusion.
There is a Sancha Sanchez de Velasco that is a granddaughter, the source that names her uncle should have read "tio abuelo" instead of tio. Under this scenario she still descends from the Sanchez enriquez Lacarra but with an added generation.but there are other possibilities,
One of the problems that people may have in looking for the correct family tree is that they don't have much experience in the naming practices of the Iberian peninsula in the 14th, 15th and 16th centuries. The naming practices were not consistent from one area to another. Naming practices in Castile, Basque, and Portuguese regions differed. Naming practices weren't always consistent even in the same region. If you look only at genealogical tables that are found in books you often find generations over centuries using
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Estimado Enrique,
Eso francamente me parecen tonterías y creo saber a qué sitio te refieres. Lamentablemente son sitios en los cuales cualquier persona puede colocar datos y hacer de las investigaciones un reverendo desastre. Yo puse hasta Alfonso y Sancha (sin sus padres) en ese mismo sitio pero algún individuo puso que Alfonso era "Señor de Bureba" lo cual es absolutamente erróneo. NUNCA usó ese título y esa misma persona debió de haber sido quien los conectó con los de Arnedo.
A mi no me convence lo del señorío de Arnedo, me parece muy forzado y hasta la fecha no hay evidencia. Hay una rama de los Velasco menos conocida que pasó a Burgos con un Pedro Gómez de Velasco y eso lo escribí antes. Toma esto en consideración: Uno de los hijos de Alfonso Ruiz de Temiño y de Sancha de Velasco tomó el nombre de Pedro Gómez de Velasco. Esto lo evidenció también uno de los grandes que ha dejado un vacío enorme: Guillermo Tovar de Teresa.
¿Coincidencia? ¿Qué opinas?
LdT
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Velasco's Carillo ancestry