I'm trying to find more information about the family of my great
grandfather. His name was Teodoro Alba. Most of the information we have
about his origins come from stories passed down from him to his children, so
they should be regarded as more legend than fact. This includes that he was
born in or near Guadalajara around 1856 or 1857. His father, whose surname
was Alba, had stowed away on a ship from Spain to Mexico. His mother's
surname was Gonzales and she was of Mayan descent. He had several siblings,
but we don't know their names. At some point the father left and returned to
Spain. Teodoro joined the Mexican army while still a teenager, deserted and
crossed into Texas sometime between 1875 and 1880. There he became an
accomplished cowboy. He gradually adapted the American spelling of Alby.
He married Mary Ellen Marks in Bonham, Texas on October 8, 1891. They had 7
children, 4 of whom lived. His wife Mary Ellen died shortly after 1910.
Around 1920, he and his children settled in Bixby, Oklahoma where they came
to own several businesses. He was affectionately known to everyone in this
small town as "Dad" Alby. His citizenship paper in 1938 describes him as 81
years of age; a white male of medium complexion; blue eyes; grey hair; five
feet, three inches in height and widowed. He died in Bixby on December 18,
1943.
Some in the family believe was actually born in San Juan de los Lagos. I
have found a birth record for a Teodoro Alva Terrones born on April 2, 1857
in that location.
Any leads would be appreciated.
scompton
Teodoro Alva Terrones doesn't line up with your great grandfather saying
that his mother's surname was González. What does line up is that the
mother of Teodoro Alva Terrones has relatives whose baptisms show them to
be indios. There weren't any Mayas in Jalisco but your great grandfather
likely meant Mexican Indians.
Teodoro Alva Terrones was the great grandson of Juan José de Alba and
Antonia Gertrudis de Esparza y Fuentes. Juan José de Alba was an hijo
natural of Clara de Alba. Therefore the paternal surname of Juan José de
Alba is not known.
Jose Teodoro Alba Alba baptized 2 Apr 1854 doesn't line up with any of the
maternal surnames being González nor does it line up with the mother being
Indian nor does it line up with the age of your great grandfather. All four
of the grandparents of Jose Teodoro Alba were documented as españoles
meaning Jose Teodoro Alba Alba they didn't have recent ancestors that were
indios.
No matter what, if you don't have the first and last name of both
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I found that research changed my family stories too. My Castanon Grandfather said they were French and originally from Germany.. not true but then again the DNA was R1 b1 and only goes to mid 1700's.
My maternal Grandmother said her Father was a Spanish sailor who jumped ship from Spain and I have found nothing to confirm that in Tamazula, Jalisco either.
I do miss the stories.. they were more exciting than what research has proven but then again a complete new story emerges..
Linda Castanon-Long
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Teodoro Alva Terrones doesn't line up with your great grandfather saying
that his mother's surname was González. What does line up is that the
mother of Teodoro Alva Terrones has relatives whose baptisms show them to
be indios. There weren't any Mayas in Jalisco but your great grandfather
likely meant Mexican Indians
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I too miss the "stories," now that my parents are deceased. It wasn't until I was an adult that I realized it was the "stories," that "tugged," at my "heart strings," that lead me on the path of family history research...
My husband's YDNA of haplogroup Q1a3a and his mtDNA of "A" fall into the Native American Grouping.
On his FF Population Finder he has the following projected results...
Continent (Subcontinent)(1) Native American (Central American) Population Maya Percentage 51.98% (2) East Asia (Siberian) - Yakut - 5.80% (3) Europe (Western European) - French, Orcadian, Spanish - 30.40% and (4) Middle East (North African) -Mozabite - 11.82%...
Can only of us say that the "stories," of having French and Spanish ancestry are not true...All very interesting!
Pat Silva Corbera
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I found that
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From: "Pat Corbera"
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Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 12:33:15 PM
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I too miss the "stories," now that my parents are deceased. It wasn't until I was an adult that I realized it was the "stories," that "tugged," at my "heart strings," that lead me on the path of family history research...
My husband's YDNA of haplogroup Q1a3a and his mtDNA of "A" fall into the Native American Grouping.
On his FF Population Finder he has the following projected results...
Continent (Subcontinent)(1) Native American (Central American) Population Maya Percentage 51.98% (2) East Asia (Siberian) - Yakut - 5.80% (3) Europe (Western European) - French, Orcadian, Spanish - 30.40% and (4) Middle East (North African) -Mozabite - 11.82%...
Can any of us say that the "stories," of having French and Spanish ancestry are not true...All very interesting!
Pat Silva Corbera
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Not the same year or mother's surname but same date and month in San Juan:
name: Jose Teodoro Alba Alba
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 02 Apr 1854
baptism/christening place: SAN JUAN DE LOS LAGOS,JALISCO,MEXICO
father's name: Gabino Alba
mother's name: Ynes Alba
indexing project (batch) number: C60340-2
system origin: Mexico-ODM
source film number: 220661
reference number:
Citing this Record
"Mexico, Baptisms, 1560-1950," index, FamilySearch
(https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/J9Y9-LPX : accessed 14 Jan 2013),
Jose Teodoro Alba Alba, 02 Apr 1854; citing SAN JUAN DE LOS
LAGOS,JALISCO,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 220661.
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> bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Steve Compton
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> I'm trying to find more information about the family of my
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I should have mentioned that five of his childrens names were Idella, Roman, Francisco, Theodore Jr. and Birdie.
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