Pachuco
A sad note in our history..... I was just a youngster at that time, living near 1st street and Boyle Heights, near downtown Los Angeles and remember the pachucos, most of them were 1st and 2nd generation Mexican-Americans. We were literately 2nd class citizens and were treated worst than most other ethic groups; when even while our fathers, uncles, cousins, friends, were dying in the battle fields of Europe and Asia defending the same people that hated us! It was only my Christan faith that saved me. I knew that God would eventually punish those that mistreated us. Alberto. --- janet iglesiaswrote: --------------------------------- I know I'm a little bit late to jump into this conversation but there is a great example of what Esperanza is stating in the movie "American Me" with Edward James Olmos. Great movie on how gangs influence Los Angeles. ~Janet Iglesias, San Diego CA >From: latina1955@... >Reply-To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com >To: ranchos
Rancho
lrapido 1gnzlz@...> wrote:
Rancho:
Un rancho es un asentamiento o lugar donde se establece una persona o
una comunidad.
Rancho: es un lugar fuera de una poblacion donde se albergan varias
personas.
Rancho: Granja donde se crian caballos, vacas y otros animales
domesticos.
Hay ranchos dedicados a la Agricultura y otros a la Ganaderia.
I hope this helps.
John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA
S.W. Riverside County
Pachuco
I know I'm a little bit late to jump into this conversation but there is a great example of what Esperanza is stating in the movie "American Me" with Edward James Olmos. Great movie on how gangs influence Los Angeles.
>From: latina1955@...
>Reply-To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
>To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [ranchos] Pachuco
>Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 20:32:50 EDT
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>I recently saw a documentary on Pachuco's. It indicated that it first
>appeared around the 2nd world war in California, simply as a style statement worn
>by many Mexican-Americans. Apparently, there was a confrontation between a
>group of pachuco's and naval men - all started because the naval men were
>interested in their women. This incident started a retaliation from the naval
>men, who would come into the neighborhoods and beat the pachuco's up. This, in
>turn, gave the pachuco's a bad reputation, as the press just focused on their
>behavior, and of course they were the ones that were arrested.
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Pachuco
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I recently saw a documentary on Pachuco's. It indicated that it first
appeared around the 2nd world war in California, simply as a style statement worn by many Mexican-Americans. Apparently, there was a confrontation between a group of pachuco's and naval men - all started because the naval men were interested in their women. This incident started a retaliation from the naval men, who would come into the neighborhoods and beat the pachuco's up. This, in turn, gave the pachuco's a bad reputation, as the press just focused on their behavior, and of course they were the ones that were arrested. The confrontations continued until the President of the US ordered that the men were not to come off the ships. The tally of those hurt were much more enormous towards the pachucos - something like 100 to 3. It is my understanding that after this, there was a movement for the "gangs" to identify with the pachuco's - hence their later reputation. Esperanza
Chicago area
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La Catrina
Joseph, My answer to you comes from my own observations and experiences. I've never seen any scholarly research work on "pachuquismo". I don't want to sound as though I somehow know everything about the subject. My answere to your questions is "yes". Gangs existed before the pachuco style of dress became popular. I saw the gangsters adopt the pachuco style of dress. I also saw many young people, non-criminal, non-gangster, imitate the style of dress. The non-gangster pachuco was accepting of any and all who wanted to "join" the "movement". I saw anglos, african-americans and others accepted as gangsters. The depiction of this in Luis Valdez' movie, "Zoot Suit", matches my recollections. As a pre-teen and teen-ager I thought it was cool to peg my baggy pants. There is a way to fold and roll up the pant leg so that it looks custom-made (from a distance). Some people in the forties and fifties accepted the pachuco style just as many young people today seem to think that the
Catolicos
If anyone is into "Podcasting" more so from the listening standpoint
here is something of interest for those interested in an insiders view
of things at the vatican:
http://www.catholicinsider.com/ joseph ps: down load one or two shows to your computer and have a listen.
La Catrina
David P. Delgado wrote:
Emilie, As I remember, Posada created a caricature of the overdressed upper class types in 19th Century Mexico. El Catrin = "dandy" and la Catrina is the feminine form of the word. La Catrina was a person but a generic stereotype. Posada did not intend the caricature to be a complimentary one.The only other people I heard use the word "catrin" were the pachucos in the late 1940's and the early '50's. They used it to describe someone who was dressed up and looked "sharp". I grew up in Southern Cal and saw many pachucos including family members.
man did the pachucos dress sharp!!! My uncle was one and I can remember
his cool threads. I was young and never understood but did the pachucos
hang together as gangs? Or were they all individuals? Did the "pachuco
movement" ever cross the border? Are there gangs in Mexico now. . .as in
the types of gangs we see in US now?
curious minds need to know, joseph
David in Albany, CA -----Original Message--
La Catrina
Emilie, As I remember, Posada created a caricature of the overdressed upper class types in 19th Century Mexico. El Catrin = "dandy" and la Catrina is the feminine form of the word. La Catrina was a person but a generic stereotype. Posada did not intend the caricature to be a complimentary one.The only other people I heard use the word "catrin" were the pachucos in the late 1940's and the early '50's. They used it to describe someone who was dressed up and looked "sharp". I grew up in Southern Cal and saw many pachucos including family members. David in Albany, CA -----Original Message----- From: "Steve G. Apodaca"Sent: Jul 5, 2005 4:12 PM To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ranchos] La Catrina Here is a link to the picture of La Catrina
http://muertos.palomar.edu/posada/skelhat.JPG">http://muertos.palomar.edu/posada/skelhat.JPG
There are several of Posada's drawings in the following page. Just
Dia de Los Muertos
La Catrina
Here is a link to the picture of La Catrina http://muertos.palomar.edu/posada/skelhat.JPG There are several of Posada's drawings in the following page. Just scroll down to "Calaveras" http://muertos.palomar.edu/posdad.htm Steve. OC,CA --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia"wrote: > Ok, now, who is La Catrina? Even my husband, who was more into the culture until the age of 12 in El Paso, doesn't know either. > > Emilie Garcia > Port Orchard, WA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Natalie > Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 4:38 AM > To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [ranchos] Dia de los Muertos > > I don't remember "celebrating" this holiday as a youngster (in the > 40's & 50's), either. And it is only in the last 10-15 yrs that I > have been exposed to this custom. > In the past two years the Smithsonian has had public programs for > DDLM, (one day affairs) with music (strolling mariachi), dance, > displays, and crafts. > The
Margarita's rememberance of Jerez, Zacatecas
El dia de los muertos is celebrated differently, depending on the region of Mexico where you are at. My family, and the people I know in Zacoalco and Guadalajara, visit their dead loved ones on November 2 each year. I remember that when I was a kid they took me several times to my grandfather's grave, and I remember that after a short prayer, my dad used to talk directly to my grandfather, staring at his grave, just like if he was having a conversation with him. I am used to this, but maybe someone may think it is weird. Anyways, after "talking" with my grandfather, we always cut some sugar cane from a plantation inside the cemetery and ate the sticks on the way back home. I did not learn about altars for the dead until I came to the United States. In Jalisco, I never saw one, I guess it is not a tradition in the state. In California, I found out that those who put the altars were mostly people from Michoacan. Down there, they really have a big celebration for November 2
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Margarita's rememberance of Jerez, Zacatecas
Maria, I thought about this a lot this weekend. I spent some time with my folks this weekend. My parents told me the same thing. They pray the rosary and have masses said for the dead. They also reminded me that the cemetery only holds their bodies, not their souls. I guess this says it all. Wow! Irma -----Original Message----- From: readysetgo95814 [mailto:nena@...] Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 11:25 PM To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ranchos] Re: Margarita's rememberance of Jerez, Zacatecas Wow Irma, your Dad sounds just like mine. The last time I went to San Nicolas with him I asked about going to the cemetery where my grandfather is buried and he had no interest in doing that. He asked me why I wanted to go. I explained to him that I might find some valuable genealogical information there. He said there were not many headstones and there were mostly wooden crosses on otherwise unmarked graves. I still would like to go and see for myself and plan do so sometime in
La Catrina - con't
The following site might also be helpful with info on "La Catrina": http://www.azcentral.com/ent/dead/history/posada,html nc
La Catrina
First, let me apologize for possibly misspelling the name - I didn't bother to double check - and still haven't. "La Catrina" is the calaca figure created by the artist Jose Guadalupe Posada; a female often depicted with a wide-brimmed hat trimmed with feathers, and wearing a blouse and skirt. You might try to google Jose Guadalupe Posada. (Note: please excuse missing accents - haven't memorized the rules.) The following is the site for the Mexican Cultural Institute: http://www.embassyofmexico.org/mci/news.htm Hasta la proxima, Natalie Coleman, VA
Dia de los Muertos
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Ok, now, who is La Catrina? Even my husband, who was more into the culture until the age of 12 in El Paso, doesn't know either.
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA
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Rancho
Rancho: Un rancho es un asentamiento o lugar donde se establece una persona o una comunidad. Rancho: es un lugar fuera de una poblacion donde se albergan varias personas. Rancho: Granja donde se crian caballos, vacas y otros animales domesticos. Hay ranchos dedicados a la Agricultura y otros a la Ganaderia. I hope this helps. John Gonzalez Wildomar, CA S.W. Riverside County
Dia de los Muertos
I don't remember "celebrating" this holiday as a youngster (in the 40's & 50's), either. And it is only in the last 10-15 yrs that I have been exposed to this custom. In the past two years the Smithsonian has had public programs for DDLM, (one day affairs) with music (strolling mariachi), dance, displays, and crafts. The Mexican Cultural Institute (Washington, DC), in the building that formerly housed the Embassy of Mexico, have hosted a DDLM exhibit the past 3 yrs - with a magnificent altar in their blue & white tiled sun room, reception, and music. Last year there was even a woman dressed as La Catrina. About 6 or 7 yrs ago I began putting up an altar in my yard (then moved it to the porch). I would put it up a day or two before Halloween - so trick or treaters would get an education when they came for their treats. I deviated from the standard of remembering and honor family members by remembering friends and family who had died in the previous 12 months - I would just
What is a Rancho???
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Re: The word "puesto" The word: "puesto" has several meanings. It can mean a place, a stand, as in a fruit stand ( un puesto en el mercado) . In the military it means a Post or guard station. John Gonzalez Wildomar, CA 1/2 way between San Diego and Riverside
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What is a Rancho???
You're welcome, Maria..."puesto" is a way of saying "place". I think it's sort of a neutral word. At least that's how I understand it. David Delgado in Albany, CA -----Original Message----- From: readysetgo95814Sent: Jul 1, 2005 11:43 PM To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ranchos] Re: What is a Rancho??? David,
Thanks for the explanation. I had been wondering about the
term "Estancia". I've also seen "Estanzuela" and I would guess it
derived from the word "Estancia"? The other term I've come across
is "Puesto". I picture that to be even smaller than a Rancho, but I
am not sure. I really haven't looked into it. Does anyone know?
Maria Cortez
Elk Grove, CA
--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "David P. Delgado"
wrote:
> Joseph,
>
> I think that the closest English equivalent of "rancho" is "town".
The word town is as small and varied as the word "rancho".
Ranchos group - GREAT reading!
Hi Natalie, I particularly enjoyed you posting because it reminded me of my growing up years (I'm now 55). Both my parents were born in the U.S. Dad (3rd of 4 children)was born in New Mexico and his parents were from Zacatecas (Sain Alto and Nochistlan~came to the U.S. in 1910 and 1908 respectively). My Mom (7th of 8 children) was born in California and her parents were from Mocorito, Sinaloa, (they came to California in 1922). My Dad's side of the family seemed to incorporate less meat and more fruits and vegetables in their "much more simple" meals, where my Mom's family routinely celebrated with the type of food you have mentioned. My family and my Mom's siblings and their families all lived within a 20 mile radius of my grandparents home and each Sunday (and all holidays) the entire family would get together for Sunday dinner at my "Nana and Tata's" home. This is where the food you mentioned was commonly served (carnitas, frijoles de olla, birria, cabeza, cesos, lengua
Ranchos group - GREAT reading!
Dear Natalie,
What an interesting post. My Scots mother learned to make flour tortillas from her in-laws. My Tia Offie makes lengua, and it is very tasty. I haven't tasted her cooking in over 20 years because Tia Offie no longer cooks.
When my grandkids are over here, I feed them Peanut Butter and Jelly burritos. They're my favorite snack. Marge:)
On Jul 2, 2005, at 12:36 PM, Natalie wrote:
WOW! 300+ posts in June, and it is only July 2, and there are already
31 posts! Bring it on!
The food postings have been very interesting, and has caused me to
reflect on why I cook as I do. My father is my Zacatecas connection;
he came to the U.S. in 1916 as a 4 yr. old - his mother died when he
was 17 yrs. old, so I am sure she impacted his culinary tastes and
traditions. (My mother was born in Calif. - her mother was from
Mexico, but I don't know where; my mother was 5 yrs. old when her
mother died; I was almost 12 yrs. when my mother died. I remember her
as being a good
