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Hello, my name is Arturo Garza and I belong to a Hispanic organization based in Dallas, Texas.  The name of the organization is HOGAR de Dallas.  HOGAR stand for Hispanic Organization for Genealogy And Research, and as the name indicates, our organization caters mainly to Hispanic research.  We are a young organization -- came into existance in 1998. 



Every year we publish a journal which includes articles, stories, family charts, queries, and anything else that pertains to genealogy.  Some of the family stories may not pertain specifically to genealogy, but the stories contain information about individuals, how they grew up, who they grew up with, where they grew up, etc.  These stories have helped readers of our journals with some of their research because of names and places mentioned in the family stories. 



Membership and sale of the journals is how HOGAR de Dallas remains in existance and we're able to provide genealogy research workshops in local libraries. 



This year we

I think I found them!

JOSE THOMAS ROMERO
Male
Marriages:
Spouse:  MARIA MERCED DE LOS DOLORES DE NAVA
Marriage:  04 JAN 1787   San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico 
Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The 
source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage 
date.
Source Information: 
Batch No.:  Dates:  Source Call No.:
M604652  1752 - 1790  0443782

SIMON ROMERO
Male
Marriages:
Spouse:  MARIA YGNACIA CASTANEDA
Marriage:  09 OCT 1791   San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The 
source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage 
date.  
Source Information:
Batch No.:  Dates:  Source Call No.:
M604653  1790 - 1819  0443783

In the film for Jose Thomas Romero's marriage.  His parents are 
listed as Manuel Romero and Ana Maria Casas.  I think (in my opinion) 
we are talking about the same Manuel Romero.  Manuel's brother 
Joachin Romero and his wife

did I reply to this???

No I don't have any of their dates but I do have some of their children:
see 2 pdf's

I'm guess somewhere around the mid 1700's as a dob for Manuel and maybe
around 1760-70 for Simon and Tomas. . .just a guess though,

as to locations only for the births of the children.

joseph


aajay1073 wrote:

Joseph,

I was looking over your Manuel Romero file again. Do you know the
dates for Tomas or Simon Romero's birth, christening or marriage?
The dates or the locations.

- Angie



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Attachment:
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Now I guess its obvious why I started this group. And its obvious why I
toss in my comments on how I do my research. That one technique has got
to be the best thing. . .I just used it and came up with long lists of
people I want to investigate. I'm sure later it will help me find
relatives. Angie, thanks!!!

Joseph

aajay1073 wrote:

Hey Joseph,

Yes, I have used the parent search for the majority of my
searches... That is how I have been able to get the majority of my
information. I use all the searches you described plus about two
more. Have you ever tried using the "Use exact spelling" checkbox?
Leave all fields blank except the last name field. In the last name
field type in the father's last name, then the mother's last name.
Both last names in the same field. Then click the checkbox and run
the search. I have been able to find many people using this method.
The only thing is that at least one of the last names have to be
uncommon. Otherwise you will get

Hey Joseph,

Yes, I have used the parent search for the majority of my 
searches...  That is how I have been able to get the majority of my 
information.  I use all the searches you described plus about two 
more.  Have you ever tried using the "Use exact spelling" checkbox?  
Leave all fields blank except the last name field.  In the last name 
field type in the father's last name, then the mother's last name.  
Both last names in the same field.  Then click the checkbox and run 
the search.  I have been able to find many people using this method.  
The only thing is that at least one of the last names have to be 
uncommon.  Otherwise you will get a list of like 200 names.  When I 
run the searches I generally get less the 25 names and I can look at 
the individuals based on location.  You also have to think about the 
different spelling variations.

For example:  Diaz Sanchez (two common last names, probably not a 
good example... :( ...)  But if you did want to search for them the

Joseph, 

I was looking over your Manuel Romero file again.  Do you know the 
dates for Tomas or Simon Romero's birth, christening or marriage?  
The dates or the locations.

- Angie

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Hi
Roberta,

    I know that Tepatitlan is near Jalostotitlan, San Juan,
San Miguiel & Santana.  All of these ancestors are from the
Jalostotitlan area: 

 

 Rafael Perez married Maria de la Nieves
Franco (b. abt. 1796)  (Rancho de los Portales) My 3rd
Great Grandparents

Jose
Maria Gomez (d. abt.1839)  married Maria Josefa
Perez (Rancho de La Parada) My 4th Great Grandparents 
I've been told they immigrated from Spain, married in Peru, but I have not
gone back far enough in my research yet to

Bautismos for San Felipe, Cuquio, Jalisco, Mexico

Batch No.:   Dates:   Source Call No.:

J602701 1666 - 1726 0615009
J602702 1726 - 1747 0615010
C602703 1747 - 1758 0615011
C602704 1758 - 1772 0615012

C602705   1772 - 1788   0615013

C602706 1789 - 1796 0615014
C602707 1797 - 1801 0615015
C602708 1801 - 1809 0615016
C602709 1809 - 1813 0615017

C604661   1813 - 1819   0615018
C604662   1820 - 1823   0615019
C604663   1823 - 1830   0615020
C604664   1830 - 1836   0615021
C604665   1836 - 1845   0615022

C604666 1845 - 1853 0615023
C604667 1853 - 1857 0615024

C604668   1857 - 1864   0615025
C604669   1864 - 1872   0615026

Matrimonios for San Felipe, Cuquio, Jalisco, Mexico

M602701 1666 - 1705 0615009

M604673 1711 - 1762 0617581
M604674 1762 - 1795 0617582

M604675   1795 - 1812   0617583
M604676   1813 - 1840   0617584
M604677   1840 - 1860   0617585
M604678   1860 - 1874   0617586

M604679 1874 - 1885 0617587

How many of you all are thoroughly using the IGI parent search feature
of the Family Search website? Now I'm not saying that I am either but
here are a few of the strategies I use in hunting for my ancestors.

I'm going to use my Great Great Grandparents: Lucio Santa Maria and
Cecilia Lugo. My Aunt Julia Espinoza gave me their names in a
conversation one day. I went straight to IGI search page and plugged
their names into the parent section. These are the names that I turned up:

Mexico
Father: Lucio Santa Maria, Mother: Cecilia Lugo

1. CAYETANO SANTA LUGO - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 11 AUG 1857 Tepetongo, Zacatecas, Mexico
2. MARIA ANTONIA SANTA LUGO - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 17 JUN 1862 Tepetongo, Zacatecas, Mexico
3. ALBINO SANTA LUGO - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 20 DEC 1869 Tepetongo, Zacatecas, Mexico
4. BLAS SANTA LUGO - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male

Just in case anyone out there is using a Macintosh: Let me know if you
need any of the files that might be difficult to open and I'll cut and
paste them into an email. Or for that matter if anyone is having any
kind of difficulty reading the messages from the archives or anything
else let me know on private email and we'll work on it together.

Joseph

Joseph, Nadine and I just had a conversation about boundary changes 
recently.  Yes, it is very likely that Colotlan was in the Zacatecas 
diocese in earlier times.  As for whether or not the records are now 
stored in the Guadalajara archdiocese.  I'll have to ask Nadine to 
see if she knows.  Her line is busy right now...
As for the 2nd question, I think I can answer that one. I have looked 
at a few of those films and the reason some years appear to be 
duplicated is that the original books had lose pages and many of them 
are out of order.  They appear to have been microfilmed exactly as 
they were found.  I think you'll find that for example Jan-Feb 1685 
will be in one film, March-June in another, etc. but not duplicated.

Maria

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
> 
> Wow she sounds like a wonderfully experienced in Genealogy 
person. . .
> 
> Can you ask her some questions for me?
> 
> 1) Colotlan's records keep saying from the diocese of

Luz has helped me for free on several occasions, going so far as to tell me
what cities my clan could be found in a particular generation and offering
historical information about Jalisco and Zacatecas. She does charge for
specific family research, however, and I have not yet used her services for
this purpose. A couple of years ago she was excited to message with me
for free, offering lots of advice, but my Spanish is slow and inadequate.

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Now mind you that later in about 10 years after I've finally come to my
first brickwall I might be willing to part with some schecals but not
just yet.

Do you think she'd be willing to send the group some general tips to get
us newbies going? GRATIS?

what does she charge by the way?

thanks,

joseph

Send me her email address and I'll send her an invitation to join the
group in Spanish.

Evie Villegas wrote:

Luz Montejano of Mexico City has been a professional genealogist for 20
years and her area of expertise is Jalisco and Zacatecas. She is especially
helpful with historical issues as she knows which families lived in a
particular area at a particular time. She corresponds in Spanish only.

Luz Montejano of Mexico City has been a professional genealogist for 20
years and her area of expertise is Jalisco and Zacatecas. She is especially
helpful with historical issues as she knows which families lived in a
particular area at a particular time. She corresponds in Spanish only.

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Janie wrote:

My great-grandparents were:

Teodoro Rosales (dob: ? place of birth ? ) and Tomasita Villegas
(dob: ? Place of birth ? )

One of their children was:
1) Porfiria Rosales (my grandmother), dob: 9-16-1905 place of birth
Zacatecas,

I guess they don't know where in Zacatecas right? Do they remember
anything at all like if it was close to Jalisco or Northern Zacatecas or
close to Durango or possible close to the capital, Zacatecas, Zacatecas?
Ask again and see if they remember anything else. Sometime when you
interview someone they will not remember anything when asked a direct
question so maybe the story approach would work. Maybe asking then stuff
like tell me about what Bis Abuelita Tomasita did in Mexico. Get them
going on some story about her life and maybe the story they are telling
will trigger some tidbit about location. Or maybe get them going on some
story about how Abuela Porfiria did this or that. Ask if its okay to
tape the conversation so you

Que bueno Dios sabe que yo necesito ayuda a veses. . .entre los dos
puedemos ayudar a los que necesitan ayuda.

joseph

readysetgo95814 wrote:

Yo también hablo y escribo Español para los que necesiten ayuda con
la traducción de cualquier mensaje.

Maria



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Wow she sounds like a wonderfully experienced in Genealogy person. . .



Can you ask her some questions for me?



1) Colotlan's records keep saying from the diocese of Zacatecas. I don't
get this since its my understanding that it is the diocese of Guadalajara.
Could this possibly mean that it used to be of Zacatecas and now is of Guadalajara?
Or that in the days when the boundarys for the Estados were different so
was the diocese? If it used to be of Zacatecas and now is of Guadalajara
would the diocese records would they have been moved to Guadalajara or is
it possible that they are still hidden away in Zacatecas someplace?



2) Also I was hoping she might give me some thoughts on the duplications
of years covered in certain films from Guadalajara. For example there are
some single years that are covered by 4 different films. Also there are some
films that cover the same time periods: for example lets say your looking
for the 1685 time period. In this short list of the over 700 films

Joseph,
I think your idea is a good one.  Some suggestions I would make: 
don't add information that can be found somewhere else (for example 
the source list of films for a particular region off the LDS catalog 
could be added as a link instead).  The link would take up a lot less 
space and when the LDS catalog is updated our list would be out of 
date.  The ancestry reports can be exported to .rtf (rich text 
format) extensions.  rtf files take up less space than word documents 
and are compatible with more applications than are word documents.  
You also don't have to worry about members not being able to access a 
word document because they are running an older version of Word or 
don't have Word at all.

Maria

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
> 
> So far I love this group. It seems in time as we all get things 
sorted 
> out and we see who everyone is looking for we will kind of keep an 
eye 
> out for the various relatives we're looking for. If

Another person who can help the group with dispensas is my friend, 
Nadine Vásquez.  Unfortunately, I can't ask her to join the group 
because she doesn't use a computer.  However, she co-authored a book 
on Dispensas Matrimoniales and is a wealth of information on that 
subject and Mexican genealogy in general.  She's been doing genealogy 
research since 1964.

Maria

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Roberta"  wrote:
> Joseph - I'll email Steven Hernandez and invite him to join
> our group.  He has explained a couple of my gggrandmother/father's
> marriage certificates (with dispensas) (it seems as though all of my
> relatives were
> either 2nd 3rd or 4th cousins when they married). 
> I'll let you know what he says - apparently Steven has a lot of 
geneology
> information in the Los Altos area of Jalisco.
>  
> Roberta
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joseph Puentes [mailto:makas@n...]
> Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 10:28 AM
> To: LosRanchos
> Subject: [ranchos]

Yo también hablo y escribo Español para los que necesiten ayuda con 
la traducción de cualquier mensaje.

Maria

My great-grandparents were:
Teodoro Rosales (dob: ? place of birth ? ) and Tomasita Villegas 
(dob: ? Place of birth ? ) 

One of their children was: 
1) Porfiria Rosales (my grandmother), dob: 9-16-1905 place of birth 
Zacatecas, died 6-26-1986 in Corpus Christi,Tx. buried in Gregory,Tx. 
Porfiria married Rosendo Montes (dob: 3-1-1885 Place of 
birth:possibly Brownsville,Tx. Died 4-26-1966 in Corpus Christi,Tx 
buried in Gregory Tx. Son of Desiderio Montes d.o.b.? d.o.d.? 
marriage date? place of birth ? and Francisca ? d.o.b.? d.o.d.? place 
of birth ?

I have interviewed my mother and aunts all they remember was they 
called Tomasita "Ama Tomasita". They aren't even sure if Rosendo was 
born in Brownsville or in Mx. But they do know he was raised in 
Brownsville,Tx. Without someone reconnizing these names I feel thats 
as far as I can go on my mothers side of the family, on both her 
father and mothers side


Yes I use the LDS Family 
Search page for my research? 
As for FHC's? no I

So far I love this group. It seems in time as we all get things sorted
out and we see who everyone is looking for we will kind of keep an eye
out for the various relatives we're looking for. If nothing else its a
start.

But at this time the 20 megabytes we're allowed in the files section is
at 13 megabytes used. that means we'll be out of room in that area soon.

I know I can trim some of the stuff in there but that won't amount to much.

I was thinking that some of that stuff could be put on some of these
free websites that you can get. Then we could just put a link to the
various peoples genealogy lines. Maybe if you all have unused website
space you could put your personal genealogy info on it and then we can
just link to that section. . .

. . .I don't know

thats why I'm writing. Do any of you all have any ideas. Its just that
I'm thinking that maybe we might get another 5, 10 or even 20 more
people to join and once everybody puts there info in we'll be way over
t

Every serious hispanic genealogy researcher needs to own a copy of this book.
. .hey what do I know there very well could be and probably are better books
out there, but this book it pretty dog gone good. . .I mean GOOD!



it goes into a lot of details about baptism marriage death and other documents
we are using. It gives great key words and phrases found in them and helps
to abstract the information from them.



I've put the Matrimonio Dispensas section in the files section and also the
Table of Contents to the book.



joseph



ps: to answer you directly sometimes they are in the Matrimonio Informacion
films or you might have to get films from the Diocese. . .Guadalajara.



got more questions please ask. . .hey I probably won't know the answer but
that will provide the motivation to look for the answer.





aajay1073 wrote:

Joseph,

What is a Matrimonio Dispensas and where can I look one up at?  I 
found a couple's marriage information and within it, it was indicated 
that they were

From: Joseph Puentes 
Reply-To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
To: LosRanchos 
Subject: [ranchos] Hi Evie---?Villegas Connection???
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 02:15:22 -0500

Hi Joseph, Juan Jose Leanos was married to Tomasa Amaya. I looked at
Josefa Leanos' marriage certificate once again. Sorry that I haven't
located Juan's marriage certificate yet. Although Guillermo Villegas who
married Josefa Leanos was born in Colotlan, his marriage took place in
Tabasco, Zacatecas.

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