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I bet you have seen this, but just in case--personally, I had no idea this
family went to Zacatecas!
 

10. GOVERNOR JUAN4 PEREZ-DE-ONATE (CRISTOBAL3
DE NAHARRIONDO-PEREZ-DE-ONATE, JUAN2 PEREZ-DE-ONATE, CRISTOBAL PEREZ1 DE
NARRIAHONDO) was
born 1552 in Panuco, Zacatecas, Mexico, and died Abt. June 03, 1626 in
Guadalcanal, Spain. He married Dona ISABEL DE TOLOSA-CORTEZ-MOCTEZUMA Abt. 1588 in Panuco,
Zacatecas, Mexico, daughter of Conquistador JUANES DE TOLOSA and Dona LEONOR DE CORTEZ-MOCTEZUMA. She was born Abt. 1568 in Mexico City,
F.D., Mexico, and died 1620 in Panuco, Zacatecas, Mexico.

Source:  http://www.somosprimos.com/inclan/onate.htm

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Thanks for pointing this out. I did find an entry for the marriage
of Isabel Tolosa to Juan Onate on the IGI in 1569 Panuco, Zacatecas.
However, no film number is given and the source appears to be a
member of the LDS Church. This conflicts with the date of 1588 below.

Maria

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I think I just settled the question in my mind about the credibility of the data.  I found this bit of info on Donald Chipman on the University of North Texas website: 

 "Donald Chipman, UNT Professor Emeritus of history and noted historian, was inducted into Spain's Orden de Isabel la Católica, an exclusive society created in 1815 by Ferdinand VII. The decoration ceremony is Spain's equivalent of a knighting ceremony. Chipman was honored for his research and books on the role of Spain in Texas history. Dallas' honorary consul of Spain decorated him with a heavy pendant of pure gold in June 2003. 

In 1992, Chipman won the Presidio La Bahía Award (First Prize) from the Sons of the Republic of Texas for his book, Spanish Texas, 1519-1821, and in 1994, he became a Lifetime Fellow of the Texas State Historical Association. These are just three of Chipman's professional honors.

Chipman taught at UNT from 1964 until his retirement in 1998."

Maria

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Maria,   This book by Donald Chipman is available through Amazon.com, there is one used book left. I checked my local library and it is only available as a reference book for viewing at the library only.   Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo San Jose, Ca

readysetgo95814 wrote:

I think I just settled the question in my mind about the credibility of the data.  I found this bit of info on Donald Chipman on the University of North Texas website:   "Donald Chipman, UNT Professor Emeritus of history and noted historian, was inducted into Spain's Orden de Isabel la Católica, an exclusive society created in 1815 by Ferdinand VII. The decoration ceremony is Spain's equivalent of a knighting ceremony. Chipman was honored for his
research and books on the role of Spain in Texas history. Dallas' honorary consul of Spain decorated him with a heavy pendant of pure gold in June 2003.  In 1992, Chipman won the Presidio La Bahía Award (First Prize) from the Sons of the
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Hi Maria,
    I do have the book by Chipman, and the Inclan
data.  I just have to sit down and compare... 
Irma

From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
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To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Re: hmmmm.
. .Cortes and Moctezuma


I came across this message on the Ancestry message forum: 

http://genforum.genealogy.com/mexico/messages/8185.html

The
message lists the descendancy of Moctezuma and cites the source
as John
Inclan, who in turn lists Donald Chipman's book "Moctezuma's
Children, Aztec
Royalty Under Spanish Rule" as his source.  Does
anyone have this
book?  My ancestress Petrona Siordia m. Juan Padilla
in 1616 in
Aguascalientes, would be a descendant of one of those
lines and I would like
to know if the data is credible or why it
isn't.

Maria

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> Now I was just talking to Arturo yesterday about how
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Irma,
 
The direct descendants of Cortes and Moctezuma are listed in the IGI, down
to the most recent ones born around 1951. Because of their
proven bloodlines they were given royal titles, etc.   If
your recent ancestors aren't listed there, then you have to back-track and see
if you have the right Joses and Marias and make sure surnames were not adopted
or changed.  It might turn out that your lines will back-track to a related
or collateral line or an illegitimate line of the official direct
descendants, but you have to do the actual tedious back-tracking and not just
join what you have to what has been published elsewhere, which may or may not be
documented but only presumed when compared to other data that led them to
believe that there is most likely a valid connection.
 
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---

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Emilie,

The entries in the IGI are not always correct. If you read a prior
message I quoted on one of those descendants; you'll see that the IGI
data was submitted by a member of the LDS church, and doesn't include
a film number.

I've seen Irma's work for myself and can tell you that she has put
her time in at her local FHC doing the tedious back-tracking to put
together her family tree. She is also not one to jump to conclusions
and any claims she makes can be supported with hard facts and
documental evidence.

Joseph restricts membership to this group to only serious
genealogists and that is why I turn to this group when I have
questions.

Maria