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If possible can we start changing the subject to properly reflect the
content of the messages? Just an idea that will be helpful in the future
when we try to do an archive search.

thanks,

joseph

ps: and no Rosalinda I wasn't only talking to you. . .   )

Descendants of Juan Martin /Suares del Real/

1    [2] Juan Martin /Suares del Real/ b: in Reinos de Castilla

..   +Lorensa Madera

.... 2 Antonio /del Real/

........+Juana Rufina Rodriguez aka: Rufina b: 1723 Baptism: 28 Apr 1723

     Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, Mexico m: 15 May 1740

     in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico

..........  3    Maria Guadalupe /del Real/ b: 1742  Baptism: 05 Aug

            1742 San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico

..........  3    Juana /del Real/ b: 1746  Baptism: 13 Jun 1746 San

            Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico

..........  3    Pedro Joseph /del Real/ b: 1748 Baptism: 14

go to: http://biblio2.colmex.mx/bibdig/dicc_cubas/base3.htm [also
found in the links area] and under "Llanetas" it says that its a
Hacienda close to "Valparaiso partido del Fresnillo"

go and check it out there are a lot of entries for San Jose and others
but i didn't see Llnetes specifically. Also I did see a San Miguel del
Puerto but it in Oaxaca.

have a look,

joseph



--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "javier_m_barrios"
 wrote:
> 
> Looking for San Jose de Llanetes information.  I know that they were 
> owned my the Miranda family.  There was also San Miguel de Los 
> Puertos.  These are 2 haciendas owned my the Miranda family that my 
> family comes from...  Some of the names in my lineage are Ybarra, 
> Barrios, Martinez, Magallanes, Rivera, Hernandez, Pinzon.  Any help 
> would be appreciated...

Note:
A couple of years ago I was told by a genealogist from
SHARR, not to pay much attention to Mexican birth
records whenever race was noted.  Such birth record
notes (race) were just part of the racism that existed
at that time, and had no meaning to the make up of the
person.

I doubt if any one us can say what our ethnic make up
is, I know I cannot.

We are just good people!

Alberto Duarte Prieto.
--- marge vallazza  wrote:

> I have a copy of a microfilmed birth record of one
> of my ancestresses in Jerez, Zacatecas, where she is
> listed as a mestiza.  In Mitra Sacrada, by Luz
> Montejano Hilton, there's a marriage/consanguinity
> record of my ancestress' parents and their ancestors
> where they are clearly noted as espagnol.  Lastly,
> her son's birth record lists him as espanol.  I
> think whichever priest wrote the record was sleeping
> on the job.:)  Marge:) 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: MMG8938@... 
>   To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent

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Steven,

I guess you saw how I was rambling on and on about music and such and
decided to send this to see if I'd root out the gold. Well I'm sure
there is other Gold in this issue but the URL:
http://www.nuevosvalores.com/index.htm is so so cool. Thanks for
bringing this issue to our attention. Also I see there is a nice:
Afro-Mexican Racial & Ethnic Self-Identity: thesis abstract by Alva

i really don't want genealogies posted to the public message archives.
I'd prefer to keep doing them like we have been doing them and putting
them in private to the group only folders with the persons name and
email address. when you have your files ready email me and we can talk
about the details of how to do this.

joseph

ps: don't send any files with living individuals in them for their
privacy sake.

peggydelgado wrote:

I bought the Family Tree Maker 2005 from Ancestry.com and was
wondering how can I save the information as a file to post it here
on this message board. I have updates and stuff but I'm still doing
some verification of my Aguirre roots in Tlaltenango de Sanchez
Roman.

Yahoo! Groups Links

The reason I asked, is because there is a ranch
outside of Jerez called "El Salto", which some of my
ancestors was lived.

Alberto.
--- Victor Villarreal  wrote:

> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alberto Duarte
>  
> wrote:
> > Where is El Salto?
> > Please let me know.
> > 
> > Alberto.
> >>>
> 
> Hello Alberto,
> 
> My great grandmother, Margarita Pinedo, was from El
> Salto.  
> I've always assumed this "El Salto" is a place
> located a few miles 
> northeast of Colotán, Jalisco, but on the state of
> Zacatecas, near 
> Villanueva.
> 
> The reason why I think my "El Salto" is located in
> Zacatecas and not 
> to be confused with "El Salto, Jalisco", which is
> Southeast of 
> Guadalajara, is because my great Grandfather was
> from Colotlán, which 
> is relatively close.  Makes sense, doesn't it?
> 
> Hope this answers your question.
> Regards!
> 
> Victor
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


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--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "readysetgo95814"  wrote:
> 
> Hi Victor,
> 
> I've been reading this thread and I got a little excited when I saw 
> the name Rosalía Castañeda.  I have one in my family tree.  Her
> name is Juana Rosalía Castañeda, born 26 Apr 1740 in Teul de
> González Ortega, Zacatecaz.  She was the sister of my 5th great-
> grandfather Pedro Castañeda.  
> 
> Their parents seemed to have moved around the state of Zacatecaz a 
> lot because the last three children were born in different ranchos.  
> The last child, Josseph Antonio was born in Tlaltenango.  My
> Rosalía may not be the same as yours, but they might be related.
> 
> Maria Cortez

Thanks María,

As you know, this takes quite a lot of detective work.  Sometimes we have the obvious right in front of us and we don't see it, and sometimes everything seems to fall into place naturally.

Querying the FamilySearch databases is kind of tricky because of all the spelling errors or variants

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Victor Villarreal"  
wrote:
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "aajay1073"  wrote:
> > 
> > Glad you found Joseph Dionicio's parents.  I thought it would be 
one 
> > of these two:
> > 
> > JOSEPH DIONICIO RAYGOSA MOJARRO
> > Gender: Male Christening: 06 DEC 1731 Tlaltenango De Sanchez 
Roman, 
> > Zacatecas, Mexico
> > 
> > JOSEPH DIONICIO RAIGOSA MARTINES
> > Gender: Male Christening: 05 MAR 1741 Tlaltenango De Sanchez 
Roman, 
> > Zacatecas, Mexico
> > 
> > I wonder if the Rosalia could be this one instead:
> > 
> > MA. DE LA LUZ ROSALIA CASTANEDA LOPES
> > Gender: Female Christening: 11 APR 1745 Tlaltenango De Sanchez 
Roman, 
> > Zacatecas, Mexico 
> > 
> > The other one seems too young to be married in 1764, though I do 
> > realize sometimes people did get married that young...
> > 
> > I'll send you a list of the descendants that I have tomorrow.
> > 
> > - Angie
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Wow!  How could I overlook the

I bought the Family Tree Maker 2005 from Ancestry.com and was 
wondering how can I save the information as a file to post it here 
on this message board.  I have updates and stuff but I'm still doing 
some verification of my Aguirre roots in Tlaltenango de Sanchez 
Roman.

Hello:



I have seen a lot of Tlatenango de Roman....where could I read up on this area....any suggestions....as to founded the town and when...etc.



Mickey

THANK YOU, THANK YOU....I HAVE SOME FILM AT THE LDS....MAY BE THAT NUMBER!!!



Mickey

Hello:



I was so excited...could not even write!!



Thanks, thanks, thanks......



Mickey

Looking for San Jose de Llanetes information.  I know that they were 
owned my the Miranda family.  There was also San Miguel de Los 
Puertos.  These are 2 haciendas owned my the Miranda family that my 
family comes from...  Some of the names in my lineage are Ybarra, 
Barrios, Martinez, Magallanes, Rivera, Hernandez, Pinzon.  Any help 
would be appreciated...

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "aajay1073"  wrote:
> 
> Glad you found Joseph Dionicio's parents.  I thought it would be one 
> of these two:
> 
> JOSEPH DIONICIO RAYGOSA MOJARRO
> Gender: Male Christening: 06 DEC 1731 Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, 
> Zacatecas, Mexico
> 
> JOSEPH DIONICIO RAIGOSA MARTINES
> Gender: Male Christening: 05 MAR 1741 Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, 
> Zacatecas, Mexico
> 
> I wonder if the Rosalia could be this one instead:
> 
> MA. DE LA LUZ ROSALIA CASTANEDA LOPES
> Gender: Female Christening: 11 APR 1745 Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, 
> Zacatecas, Mexico 
> 
> The other one seems too young to be married in 1764, though I do 
> realize sometimes people did get married that young...
> 
> I'll send you a list of the descendants that I have tomorrow.
> 
> - Angie

Thanks.

Wow!  How could I overlook the age factor?  Even considering Rosalia's fertile period of 19 years (from 1765 to 1784), marrying at eleven seems too farfetched!  :)

MA. DE

Glad you found Joseph Dionicio's parents.  I thought it would be one 
of these two:

JOSEPH DIONICIO RAYGOSA MOJARRO
Gender: Male Christening: 06 DEC 1731 Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, 
Zacatecas, Mexico

JOSEPH DIONICIO RAIGOSA MARTINES
Gender: Male Christening: 05 MAR 1741 Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, 
Zacatecas, Mexico

I wonder if the Rosalia could be this one instead:

MA. DE LA LUZ ROSALIA CASTANEDA LOPES
Gender: Female Christening: 11 APR 1745 Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, 
Zacatecas, Mexico 

The other one seems too young to be married in 1764, though I do 
realize sometimes people did get married that young...

I'll send you a list of the descendants that I have tomorrow.

- Angie

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alberto Duarte  
wrote:
> Where is El Salto?
> Please let me know.
> 
> Alberto.
>>>

Hello Alberto,

My great grandmother, Margarita Pinedo, was from El Salto.  
I've always assumed this "El Salto" is a place located a few miles 
northeast of Colotán, Jalisco, but on the state of Zacatecas, near 
Villanueva.

The reason why I think my "El Salto" is located in Zacatecas and not 
to be confused with "El Salto, Jalisco", which is Southeast of 
Guadalajara, is because my great Grandfather was from Colotlán, which 
is relatively close.  Makes sense, doesn't it?

Hope this answers your question.
Regards!

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "aajay1073"  wrote:
> 
> Victor,
> 
> I think I might have some information for you.
> 
> I found this marriage record:
> JOSSEPH DIONICIO RAYGOZA
>   Male
> Marriages: 
>   Spouse:  ROZALIA CASTANEDA
>   Marriage:  05 MAR 1764   Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, 
>>>

Angie,

I reviewed the Raygoza records you posted.  All seems to indicate 
that they are indeed siblings, as the parents names, the location and 
the dates coincide.  I'm adding them for now to my tree and
I'll make 
a note to verify on microfilm.

I went two generations further on the Raygoza line, as I have now 
Francisco Roman De Raygoza, father of Josseph Dionicio and Joseph de 
Raygoza father of Francisco Roman .  Please review the updated 
GabinaMartel file on my folder, from the sixth generation and up.

Regarding Rozalia Castaneda, wife of Josseph Dionicio, I have one 
candidate from the same batch number of baptismal records, which is 
the following:

MARIA

Please excuse me for the late reply. 

The following article I found in "Jerez, Monografia e
Historia, by Ricardo Santoyo Reveles."

Here goes:

La Esclavitud
"El 7 de abril de 1780, llego el reclamon de una de
estas ventas, realizado por Don Pantaleon de le Torre
y Salcedo en poder de la senora Rosa Gomez, viudua de
Eusebio Sanchez Castellanos, quien reclama a su
apoderado el trato de una mulata esclava de nomber
Petra, la que obtuvo por su difunto marido, y que
nacio en su casa durante su matrimonio; julio de 1760,
se trato a Don Pedro Calderon, asentista de gallos en
Jerez, este trato tenia ano y medio de haberse
efectuado; en ese tiempo de la Torre y Salcedo vendio
en 170 pesos y despues se valuo en 125, y Rose Gomez
reclama que no se le padgado la totalidad del precio y
que se resisten a pagar lo expresado y que esto iria
hasta los tribunales competentes.
    La Audiencia Real de Mexico, expdio en 1716 eln
drecho de libertad a los escloavos de jerez, pero esto
no se lleva a cabo

Where is El Salto?
Please let me know.

Alberto.
--- Victor Villarreal  wrote:

> 
> Hello All,
> 
> This is to notify you of a couple of files that I
> just uploaded to
> the Files Section.
> 
> Surnames: Villagrana, Martel, Pinedo, Colunga, Del
> Real, Serrano,
> Arana, Rosales, Marquez, Lopez, Sandoval, Sanches
> Castellanos,
> Hurtado, Morillo, Perez, Tovar, Raygoza, Balbuena,
> Alvarado ...
> 
> Places: Monte Escobedo, Villa Guerrero, Totatiche,
> Tlaltenango,
> Colotlán, El Terrerito, El Salitre, El Salto...
> 
> Your comments (and help) are most welcome!
> 
> Victor
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 



	
		
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