Inside Scoop on the Family History Library

Alicia,

Just because
the films, are in the vault, it doesn’t mean that no one has ever looked
at the films, in Salt
Lake
.  A few years
ago, the policy was, that when a film was ordered from the vault, it stayed in
the FHL for a few weeks, then it was sent back.  Also, you don’t
know if the film is also, in other centers, elsewhere.

 

If you have 47
films, that you want to look at, and they are in the vault.  I would
suggest, getting in touch with the Library and getting them ordered.  So
they are there when you arrive.  Because, you can only order 5 films per
day.

 

They, also
have a book scanner on the Main floor, so you can scan the book.  Also,
there are copiers on each floor.

 

Thanks,

Jonathan

 

Experienced Hispanic and Mexican family
history researcher: 
www.mexicanfhr.com  or jonathan@...

 

 


From: Alicia Carrillo
[mailto:alliecar@...]

Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005
10:37 PM

To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [ranchos] Inside
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PAF Question

Kitty,
I would suggest trying the program PAF Companion.  It offers more
reports that what PAF does, by itself.  

But, from what I understand that you want.  I would sugest just
printing a pedigree chart and printing the supporting family group
records.

Thanks,
Jonathan

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Kitty Cortez"  wrote:
> Hi Jon
>  
> We are using PAF 5.2.  When we print we go to Reports and Charts, 
there we
> click on Ancestry and we don't get children listed.  If we click on
Books
> and use Ahnentafel (Ancestry) we also don't see children listed and
 there
> is no connection between generation.  It doesn't  mention who the
parents
> are, you have to go to the next generation up and guess who they
were.  This
> makes it hard since we have many lines with the same surname.  
> So we used Books, and clicked on Modified register Descendancy. 
This give
> us a report from our oldest ancestor to our most recent. and does
list all
> children and their connection.  But

List Your Films Please: was FHC Westwood

I didn't know about this index until I went to the FHC. They have a 
link on their computers, so that saved me a lot of time.

Steve

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Lydia Corona  
wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> In the January 2005 issue of Somos Primos, it is noted that a 
volunteer has indexed every Latin America film the Los Angeles LDS 
Family History Center has at it's location.That index can now be 
viewed on the internet.  Hopefully, this can help someone save a trip 
to Westwood. 
> 
> 
> The ftp: in the email is correct. 
ftp://66.159.208.204/latinfilms/home.html
> 
> 
> 
> Joseph Puentes  wrote:okay, so now the cat is out of 
the bag. In the Ranchos2 files [look under "members films"] area is a 
place where members can list their permanent films. I know that some 
of those films might not be exactly yours but if you could why not 
make a list of all the films you have "permanently" available via 
your family history center that have to do with Jalisco

PAF Question

Hi Jon
 
We are using PAF 5.2.  When we print we go to Reports
and Charts,  there we click on Ancestry and we don't get children
listed.  If we click on Books and use Ahnentafel (Ancestry) we also don't
see children listed and  there is no connection between generation. 
It doesn't  mention who the parents are, you have to go to the next
generation up and guess who they were.  This makes it hard since we have
many lines with the same surname. 
So we used Books, and clicked on Modified register
Descendancy.  This give us a report from our oldest ancestor to our most
recent. and does list all children and their connection.  But this created
37 different files for us to download for the Ranchos.  We were looking for
a way to print four reports in reverse,  from his grandparents
backwards to the 9th, 10th, or 11th generation listing children and
parents. 
 
I guess one of these days we should buy one of the newer
programs, but we like the simplicity of the  PAF
version.
 
S

CATALOGO DE PASAJEROS A INDIAS

Here's a link to an old map of Nuevo Reino de Granada:

http://bell.lib.umn.edu/historical/Laet.html


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Victor Villarreal"  
wrote:
> 
> Nuevo Reino de Granada was in South America.
> 
> If I remember correctly it would encompass what is now Colombia, 
etc.
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, MMG8938@a... wrote:
> > Hello Joseph:
> > 
> > Where is Nuevo Reino de Granada?  They are talking about New 
Spain, 
> right?
> >




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Nuevo Reino de Granada was in South America.

If I remember correctly it would encompass what is now Colombia, etc.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, MMG8938@a... wrote:
> Hello Joseph:
> 
> Where is Nuevo Reino de Granada?  They are talking about New Spain, 
right?
> 





CATALOGO DE PASAJEROS A INDIAS

Hello:



Okay; if it is from Seville then it is the horses mouth!



This is what I have:

     #2350, Villarreal, J [Juan] de, hvv [hijo de vecinos] a Ind [Indias] 13 (I, 1462) [Al  [Alonso] Mtn [Martin], Leo [Leonor la Rica]



This is from "Indice Geobiografico de Cuarenta Mil Pobladores Españoles de America en el Siglo XVI, " Tomo I, 1493-1519, by Peter Boyd-Bowman.



Mickey

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Hello Joseph:





Well, I was typing and typing some Puentes for you and hit the wrong button!!



I will list some names in the last book...Vol. VI  1578-1585



All de la Puentes; Alonso; Ana;, Catalina; Diego Lopez de la; Fabian;

Francisco; Juan; Juana; and Martin



For Juana:  it reads as follows:

4.956 Pedro Romero, natural de Ayamonte, hijo de Martin de Escobar y de Ines Lopez, con su mujer Juana de la Puente, natural de Madrid, hija de Juana de la Puente y de Maria Gonzalez, al Nuevo Reino de Granada, com criado del licenciado (Alonso Lopez de) Salazar, 20 marzo 1582.



Where is Nuevo Reino de Granada?  They are talking about New Spain, right?



I am in the 1600' on some lines but not in the earlier years., however, I am glad I bought the books.  They were purchased from the "Ministerio  de Cultura".  It would be interesting to find out if they are still available.  Vol VI was published in 1986.  At the time I purchased the books the office was on Gran Villa street....it has been a few

CATALOGO DE PASAJEROS A INDIAS

For example, the following is the data found for one of the 
passengers in the "Catálogo de Pasajeros a Indias":

Archivo  Archivo General de Indias   

Código de Referencia  ES.41091.AGI/16419//PASAJEROS,L.1,E.1462  

Título  JUAN DE VILLARREAL  

Alcance y Contenido  JUAN DE VILLARREAL, hijo de Alonso Martín y de 
Leonor la Rica, vecinos de San Martín de Valdeiglesias.  
 
Nivel de Descripción  Unidad Documental Simple  
 
Fecha(s)   [c] 1513-09-02  
 
Signatura(s)   PASAJEROS,L.1,E.1462  
 
Volumen    
 
Productor(es)      Información de Contexto  
 
Unidades Relacionadas 
 
Por Procedencia  CONTRATACION,5536,L.1,F.308 
 
Índice(s)  Martín, Alonso
Villarreal, Juan de
Rica, Leonor la
San Martín de Valdeiglesias (Madrid)
 

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, MMG8938@a... wrote:
> Hello:
> 
> I haven't seen the site.  I will check it out.
> 
> Mickey




CATALOGO DE PASAJEROS A INDIAS

Hello:



How much did they cost.  I do not remember but they were cheap.  I brought back a set for myself and my friend.  I took an extra suitcase for books.

I will look up the Puentes for you.  And, yes it is early.  And yes, it would be harder to start from Adam!



Mickey

CATALOGO DE PASAJEROS A INDIAS

Hello Mickey,

I was wondering if the information contained in your books is much different from what you can find in the "Catálogo de Pasajeros a Indias" on the Spanish site "Archivos Españoles en Red" (www.aer.es)?

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, MMG8938@a... wrote:
> Joseph:
> 
> I hope I am not biting off more than I can chew....but I have the following 
> books in my library.  Purchased long ago in Spain and other places.
> I will look up names for people unable to go to the library.  They are well 
> indexed so there shouldn't be big problems.  What do you think?
> 
> Indice Geobiografico de Cuarenta Mil Pobladores Españoles de American en el 
> Siglo XVI, Tomo l - 1493 - 1519
> Same as above, Tomo II   1520 - 1539
> 
> Catalogo de Pasajeros A Indias, Siglos XVI, XVII, y XVIII
>        Vol IV - 1560 1566
>        Vol V - 1567 - 1574
>        Vol V - Tomo II 1575 - 1577
>        Vol VI - 1578 - 1585
>        Vol VII - 1586 - 1599
> 
> I thought the Culteral in Madrid was

PAF Question

Kitty,

What type of ancestral file are you wanting to print?  I don't quite
understand, what you were asking.

Jonathan





CATALOGO DE PASAJEROS A INDIAS

go Mickey go,



cool dude!



now all I have to do is find my genealogy back to that time period and
I'll be knocking on your electronic door. thanks much for this kind
offer. If you happen to be looking around and just happen to see any
Puente or Puentes well just the reference will be cool. I've often
thought about the possibility of going back to the Puente/Puentes that
I can find and tracing them forward and hoping they were the ones that
migrated to Zacatecas and or North Jalisco. That kind of genealogy
would be way harder I believe but something to think about.



thanks again for your willingness to help and contribute to the
betterment of the members of the group,



joseph



ps: how much did they cost?







MMG8938@... wrote:

Joseph:



I hope I am not biting off more than I can chew....but I have the
following books in my library.  Purchased long ago in Spain and other
places.

I will look up names for people unable to go to the library.  They are
well indexed so there shouldn't be

CATALOGO DE PASAJEROS A INDIAS

Joseph:



I hope I am not biting off more than I can chew....but I have the following books in my library.  Purchased long ago in Spain and other places.

I will look up names for people unable to go to the library.  They are well indexed so there shouldn't be big problems.  What do you think?



Indice Geobiografico de Cuarenta Mil Pobladores Españoles de American en el Siglo XVI, Tomo l - 1493 - 1519

Same as above, Tomo II   1520 - 1539



Catalogo de Pasajeros A Indias, Siglos XVI, XVII, y XVIII

       Vol IV - 1560 1566

       Vol V - 1567 - 1574

       Vol V - Tomo II 1575 - 1577

       Vol VI - 1578 - 1585

       Vol VII - 1586 - 1599



I thought the Culteral in Madrid was going to publish Vol. VIII but I have never heard of any being published.



I also have :  Indice Geo. de mas de 56 Mil Pobladores de la American Hispanica, Tomo I, 1493 - 1519  by Peter Boyd Bowman (note this is not cuarenta but 56) .  This is a Xerox copy, the rest are the originals.



Mickey

El que se Perdió ahora es Encontrado

Joseph, I was heartened to read your reply, which did bring tears to my eyes. I have printed the copy which is now taped on wall next to my computer.
 
The following story would not have been realized without you.
 
I had been following the paper trail of a Jose Maria Herrera for a number of years, only to realize that there were about 5 Jose Maria Herrera's in the same time frame.
 
When I read the submission from "Esperanza" from the group I realized that this was her line. So, I mailed her all the info I had, about 2 inches thick. Now we are fairly certain that we may have a common ancestor. In time I hope to pursue this further. Also, I have quite the stack on "Luna" that I know is  Esperanza's line that I need to put in PAFto send her. Do believe we have a connection on the Luna's as well.
 
Most importantly, I have now befriended a jewel of a woman, and an accomplished one at that. At the moment I am lost for words, can not think with tears in my eyes...So I shall plagiarize

El que se Perdió ahora es Encontrado

Joseph, I was heartened to read your reply, which did bring tears to my eyes. I have printed the copy which is now taped on wall next to my computer.
 
The following story would not have been realized without you.
 
I had been following the paper trail of a Jose Maria Herrera for a number of years, only to realize that there were about 5 Jose Maria Herrera's in the same time frame.
 
When I read the submission from "Esperanza" from the group I realized that this was her line. So, I mailed her all the info I had, about 2 inches thick. Now we are fairly certain that we may have a common ancestor. In time I hope to pursue this further. Also, I have quite the stack on "Luna" that I know is  Esperanza's line that I need to put in PAFto send her. Do believe we have a connection on the Luna's as well.
 
Most importantly, I have now befriended a jewel of a woman, and an accomplished one at that. At the moment I am lost for words, can not think with tears in my eyes...So I shall plagiarize

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Kitty Cortez wrote:

 
Joseph,  we input the code 'doc'
right after the date in our PAF program and that comes out on our
printed pedigree and family group sheets.  Now when we print the family
group sheet for Joseph Francisco Ricardo MOTA and Mathiana Sesaria de
ROBALCABA we see Maria Josefa MOTA 10 Jan 1778 doc,  Maria Agustina
MOTA Rovalcava 3 Sep 1780 igi,  and Francisco Ramon MOTA Robalcava 10
Mar 1775 igi.  When we sent you our files, I forgot to check off notes
and sources so hence no documentation on those records.  And I was
surprised that the 'doc and igi' didn't come out in the date line. 
After our upcoming trip to SLC we will gradually update the files
again.  We won't do them all at once again.  Is there anyway of
downloading an ancestral file thru PAF which would connect the
generations and list the children?  Then one ancestral file would work
instead of 37 dependency files.

jeepers. . .I am kind of PAF illiterate since I use Family Tree Maker.
Maybe

Too many Josefa MOTAs and families

Helyn
Thanks for the following information.  We don't have
any documents for siblings for Josefa Mota yet.  We do have 3 different
Josefa Mota on the pedigree chart and hopefully your information will combine at
least two of them.  We have the bapt document of Josefa MOTA 10 Jan 1778
doc.  and had on our list for this April's trip to find Maria Agustina 3
Sep 1780 igi, and Francisco Ramon 10 Mar 1775 igi.
Could Joseph Francisco Ricardo MOTA  brother Joseph
Marcelino MOTA be the same Marcelino Joseph MOTA Campos 14 Jun 1750
doc?    Joseph Marselino has a daughter Maria Josefa
MOTA  5 Nov 1777 igi.  We are looking and printing that document this
coming trip. 
 
Your Carlos de Godoy and Gertrudis Raygosa are off in
another binder since we had to chop that branch off our family tree.  We
keep going back into the binder and pulling documents we made with other
connections.  About two years ago we found we had 2 Merced Serrano's and of
course we were off and going with the

El que se Perdió ahora es Encontrado



I am almost brought to tears when I hear about you all making
connections. . .I just let my imagination go and think about how
hundreds of years ago [well in most cases one hundred and in some 2 or
3 hundred] our families were living their lives and knowing and
interacting with one another in the homeland. Then something happened,
maybe war, maybe economic circumstances and one or both families moved
away and the branches lost contact and never heard from each other
again until, until, until, Kitty and Rich Cortez one day [more like
many years of intense research] made a trip to SLC and did very time
consuming and intense genealogical research. Research that gave great
respect to our ancestors. Respect that basically said that they are of
great importance to us and that the product and essence of their lives:
"La Familia" was important enough to attempt in a small way to
reassemble and slightly realign, reform, piece together the fractures
that now divide us. And then Helyn

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Hi--
 
Yes, I do have all of those children.  I just didn't want to make my message to Victor too long by adding everyone.  Thanks!!!
 
Rosalinda
 
 
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Did you find these children?for:  Jalisco, Mexico
      Father: Antonio Del Real, Mother: Rufina Rodriques
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                 1. MARIA GUADALUPE REAL RODRIQUES - International Genealogical Index
                  Gender: Female Christening: 05 AUG 1742 San Luis, Colotlan

Felis Pedro Mota & Antonia Campos

Estimados Primos: Kitty & Rich Cortez

 

I have found a connection:

Felix Pedro Mota & Antonia Campos

their son: Francisco Ricardo Mota

married: Mateana Sesaria Robalcava

(her parents: Francisco Robalcava & Juana Sanchez)

 

daughter of Franciso Mota & Sesaria Robalcava

Agustina Mota - she married

Alvino Luna - his parents Antonio Juan Luna & Maria Manuela Serrano

daughter of Agustina Mota & Alvino Luna

Maria de Los Santos Luna born Oct 1816

she married: Dionisio Magallanas

 

I also have some Carlos de Godoy, and I know I have some info on Gertrudis Raygosa around here some place.

 

I sure would like to meet up with you and Alicia. I can bring the Mariachis.

Joseph, Thank you for putting this group together!!!!

Helyn



 


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